TLV #149 - Signing Day Recap, And Optimism for the Future
[Disclaimer: As of TLV's press time, National Signing Day has yet to take place, therefore, most of the signings listed herein are entirely subject to change, no matter how unlikely such may have seemed at the time. That's just how this whole college football recruiting thing works, y'all.]
Yesterday, National Signing Day, was the day of the year for those of us who most closely follow the bizarre, dramatic, and far to obsessed over sport-within-a-sport of major college football recruiting. All across this great football watching nation of ours, adult fans of their alma maters saw their emotions ebb and flow, wax and wane with every faxed-in letter of intent. Signing Day parties, wall-to-wall ESPN coverage, and endless fretting over online forums and social media marked the day, a day on which high school football players - technically still "children" - were first allowed to accept, sign, and submit their scholarship offers.
Does it sound silly? That's because it is; but it's important, too. Any good football program stays that way by recruiting the best talent it possibly can, while a struggling football program (that'd be us), attempts to get out of said rut via, largely, recruiting the players necessary to win. Ole Miss' new head coach, Hugh Freeze, knows this just as well as any other coach in the business, meaning that significant emphasis was placed on this class of 2012, his first as the Rebel head coach.
Despite that emphasis, though, this class won't wow much of anybody who follows recruiting, especially at first glance. Ole Miss Rebel fans looking to ink a top-25 2012 class are likely to be disappointed, as Ole Miss is recovering from a disastrous 2-10 football season - the worst such record in program history - and still getting acclimated to new head coach Hugh Freeze. While Freeze is known for both his offensive coaching style and his recruiting abilities, the young, energetic coach has had less than two months to recruit, convince, and influence prospective football players. Suffice it to say that our class this season will be smaller than classes past, and looks to address some immediate position needs where possible while adding depth at others.
Ole Miss' two biggest commitments on the offensive side of the ball are quarterback Bo Wallace and halfback I'Tavius Mathers. Wallace, a 6'5", 215lb quarterback out of East Mississippi Community College, was named the Junior College Offensive Player of the Year by the NJCAA. While at EMCC, Wallace set new NJCAA single-season records for passing yards (4,604), yards of total offense (4,810) and touchdowns thrown (53). His offensive production was key to EMCC winning the NJCAA national title. Wallace will likely compete to start immediately at his position.
I'Tavius Mathers is a 6', 200lb halfback out of Murfreesboro, Tennessee , rushed for over 2,000 yards and 25 touchdowns in each of his two final high school seasons. With the departures of Brandon Bolden and Enrique Davis, Mathers is sure to see playing time as a true freshman.
On defense, the Rebels' most heralded commitments are defensive tackle Isaac Gross and defensive ward Channing Ward. Gross, a product of South Panola High School, Ole Miss' de facto farm program, and Ward, a native of Aberdeen, Mississippi, were both named Under Armor All-Americans. Both played well in the Under Armor All-American game, with Gross being named a starter on his side of the ball. Ward is considered by many recruiting services as the best high schooler from Mississippi this year, as well as one of the nation's best high school defensive ends, making him a crucial get for Hugh Freeze's first class in Oxford.
Also of note are Jaylon Walton, an athlete out of Memphis, who could project at halfback, wide receiver, or returner; Andy Pappanastos, a kicker out of Montgomery, Alabama, who was an all-state selection at his position for three consecutive seasons; Robert Conyers, a big yet quick offensive lineman out of Miami; and Pierce Burton, a behemoth of an offensive tackle out of San Francisco who turned down offers from Florida and Kentucky to sign with our Ole Miss Rebels.
Regarding this class and the fact that many, myself included, are wont to consider it underwhelming, I am more than willing to give Freeze the benefit of the doubt regarding the difficulties he has certainly faced thus far as the Ole Miss head coach. This class alone shouldn't serve as prima facie evidence of Hugh Freeze's perceived coaching inadequacies - not by a long shot. There are some good, new players who will be suiting up in the red and blue this fall. Assuming they and this new coaching staff can return some wins to Oxford, I expect even more of such the day after 2013's National Signing Day.
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For all the "studs" State and KY pulled from us...
ESPN still has their classed ranked just behind ours
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espn had us with four 4 stars
…on rivals we have two and on scout we have none. big difference between the services.
by ManningExpress on Feb 2, 2012 10:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
ESPN ranks Ole Miss' 2012 recruiting class ahead of MSU
suck it mullenz, you just got Championship’d
A landshark's snark ain't nottin' to f-^k wit
by JohnnyRebellion on Feb 2, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know how valuable the ESPN rankings are with respect to the others.
They tend to be very different than Sprivals from what I gathered.
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I'd put as much stock on espn as I would rivals...
and as far as rankings and ratings I don’t see scout as being credible at all. They’re always so different from the other services in their ratings. And they give out so many five stars every year.
by ManningExpress on Feb 2, 2012 11:21 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I lost my insider deal a couple years back so I don't pay them as much attention too
It has been nice to not get worked up about this crap this year I’ll say.
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All of the various recruiting sources are for the most part very different
Some had us a favorites for certain players, some had us with no chance and some had us in the middle for the same player, It’s a crap shoot as to who has it right
I am willing to give the staff a break on this one.
It is a disappointing end to the football year. Pretty sure alot* of us think we handled the staff transition all wrong, not just ending up with the least national of the candidates we campaigned for, if you will.
Hopefully, we will have an exciting offense this year and will be able to make some strides for 2013, even if our record is not dramatically different.
*yes, but it should be one word.
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That's my line of thinking.
I’m not ecstatic by any means, but it could have been much, much worse.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Feb 2, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's important to remember how good the class was last year.
We had some needs that didn’t get met this year, but we have a lot of young playmakers that still have 3+ years left on campus. If Wallace can be what we need him to be, I’d look for an almost amazing (offensive) turnaround. (By “amazing”, I mean probably 4-5 wins and more competitive games, considering the schedule).
"They score so fast it messes you up" - Houston Nutt
What kind of attrition did that class have?
I know we still have the ones you’re referring to in Brassell et al.
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No mention of Elston?
I thought Trae Elston was a significant get.
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by SportsGuyGL on Feb 2, 2012 11:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Feb 2, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well I am excited, I mean just think what the class would have looked like if Nutt had stayed. I doubt we get Elston, Wallace, and maybe not even Ward.
by Areyouready?nonotreally on Feb 2, 2012 11:55 AM EST reply actions
I don't think we can overstate the fact that
Freeze had about 8 weeks, 3 weeks on the road with the staff, to pull this class together. This should not be held against him in my book.
...I'm probably in Hume Hall
by Nerd the Rebel on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I BLAME HIM
for not reinstating Col Reb as our mascot and FDWL as our fight song!
/terdishuns
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At the huge risk of being ridiculed here......
I AM convinced its the Curse of the Black Bear! I’m NOT an advocate of returning to the Colonel, but something crazy happened once that stupid bear arrived. I’ve about decided that we should just go back to the “no mascot” thing at let it rest…..
Those are all mutually exclusive to our performance imo.
It’s 2012. There ain’t no such thing as curses. Or weather prognosticating groundhogs!
We should have just stayed no mascot, in retrospect, but that is more of a hindsight deal.
Nutt has been phoning it in beyond the 2 Cotton Bowls (!!!). I don’t follow basketball enough to speak on it but it’s almost always been an afterthought. Bianco suffered from staff transitions and bad recruiting tactics.
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Our ultimate demise the past two years WAS recruiting.
Raymond Cotton, Tig Barksdale, Patterson, and a host of other top end recruits never even made it to the field. Patterson played sparingly as a freshman before disappearing. He HAD good recruiting classes, but the “classes” never actually played. The thing that I like about what I’m seeing so far about Freeze is that he’s recruiting guys that are gonna make it to the field, and they WANT to be there. A lot will be said about Liggins, and some of the guys that went to the Barn Down South of Us, but if they didn’t want to be Rebels, then we don’t want them either. I’m liking what I’m seeing, and I’ve got a REALLY good feeling about next years class. You keep on preaching, Coach Freeze! We already can see that the Mullet is running scared of ya!
Patterson did make it to the field.
He even caught a touchdown vs. North East South Central MO State Tech or something.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Feb 2, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, and we have some rules around here.
The “Barn Down South of Us” and Dan “Mullet” are beneath the Cup. We’re more clever than that.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Feb 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
How about...
That Other A&M and Darth Mullen?
Graduated University of Mississippi Leonard McCoy School of Medicine, 2481
by SkylarkThibedeau on Feb 2, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
How about...
Mullen and Billboard Kings?
the Dawg Grinders?
those Illiterate Bastards?
...I'm probably in Hume Hall
by Nerd the Rebel on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
How bout
the Dyslexia State Bullshitters with coach Nellum
Via Wikipedia:
Dyslexia is a very broad term defining a learning disability that impairs a person’s fluency or comprehension accuracy in being able to read, sounds like a perfect fit to me
That is all part of phoning it in.
I don’t know if it was not keeping them disciplined or poor character recruits or what, but he brought in a lot of paper tigers.
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I heard at lunch today
Liggins has yet to make above 14 on his ACTs. What does it take to get in LSU?
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The SEC has a rule of something like 16 or 17.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Above a 14?
I’m pretty sure you could get a 15 by walking in, putting out your cigarette on the test and then walking out.
liggins made a 17 on the ACT
when he skipped out of playing in the MS-AL allstar game to take the test.
there is a sliding scale that balances your GPA and your ACT score to qualify, so basically a 17 is good enough to get in IF you have a decent GPA… not sure if that is good for liggins but really, who gives a fuck. I do not know if the guy will be to fat or not to play QB in the SEC, but i do know that a 17 on your ACT is dumb, to dumb for QB
A landshark's snark ain't nottin' to f-^k wit
by JohnnyRebellion on Feb 2, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
intelligence is a good thing to have, though, I don’t know how much of a difference it makes in college (depending on the scheme, coach, playcalling et al.). Vince Young scored a 6 on his Wonderlic whereas Matt Stafford made a 35. Stafford is clearly the better NFL QB, but I’d take Vince Young running the zone-read in college over Stafford playing in a pro-set 9 times out of 10.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Feb 2, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
looks like his big ass will be playing O-line at BRCC for 2 years
by RebelBlackBear on Feb 2, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Curses aren't real.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Feb 2, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Red Sox were cursed.
They did not integrate well and suffered from years of mismanagement.
They changed their focus, brought in Bill James et al, and were somehow miraculously no longer cursed.
(Not a Red Sox fan at all).
Cubs, though, they may be cursed fo’ reals.
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I do Believe in Curses
and Fairies!!!
I do believe in Fairies (clap) I do (clap) I do! Cmon Tink!!!
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by SkylarkThibedeau on Feb 2, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately
my reading of these pig entrails says otherwise.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Feb 2, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully
That means they’ll at least beat Arkansas next year.
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by SkylarkThibedeau on Feb 2, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
A quick roll of the sheep bones
says no.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Feb 2, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
agreed.
If we had CR we would have pulled, at least, a top 10 class.
"They score so fast it messes you up" - Houston Nutt
speaking of the good colonel
did anyone else notice in that trophy picture he seems to have grown breasts?
The more I look at this class, the more I get excited about it.
It wasn’t big, but he definitely got some key players for some key spots. We’ve potentially gotten the QB that we’ve been starving for since Eli, a potentially GREAT defensive back (haven’t had a star at that position in years), a good running back, some more offensive line beef, and I gotta say this: I watched the Under Armor game, and our two defensive line guys outplayed EVERYONE else from their positions. When “elite” play each other and our guys dominate, that’s a GOOD thing!
One last thing that really impressed me: he didn’t just go out and fill a bunch of spots. He had more scholarships, and didn’t just give them to some kids just to have a full roster. He knows EXACTLY what he wants, and is going to recruit only that. Not settling for “mediocre”, which is good, because we’d have to change our mascot again……to a bulldog…..
Once you get 15-20 guys
with the over-signing rules in place, it makes more sense to hold those 5 scholly’s for Dec. juco signees instead of just giving a scholarship to someone who won’t ever play.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Feb 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
How does that work?
Maybe it is simple and I am just not connecting the dots. Do they have to be on campus in January, I think is what confuses me.
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If we sign 5 Juco's this december
who can transfer in for the Spring 2013 semester, they count towards this year’s (2012) recruiting class.
So, instead of just wasting those scholarships on players who otherwise would have gone to Delta State, we wait til after the JUCO season is done and use those scholarships to get guys who can actually contribute.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Feb 2, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Question
does anyone know the deal with Nick Parker? Was he just not that good? Did he always project as a fullback or something?
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by Mexter Dccluster on Feb 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST reply actions
I had always heard good things about him from people "in the know."
Who knows. Maybe he got fat or something.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Feb 2, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I had to guess
Because I remembered him being a good, tough RB from SPHS. He had good speed too, but I was surprised seeing him listed at 5’11, 240 as he came in around 6’0, 210ish. All that to say, I guess he just got fat.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Parker's a big guy. He stands a couple of inches taller than Bolden, and really looks like a FB.
...I'm probably in Hume Hall
by Nerd the Rebel on Feb 2, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
i think we were grooming Parker to be a FB or LB
because Nutt only believed in having RBs that were 5’6" and 165 lbs
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I have wondered the same, and it may come back to Nutt's management woes (easy way out).
I heard on one of the Rebels Sports Radio shows that Nutt had a tendency to play favorites. Parham and Garrett said that he would barely even give a quote about Devin Thomas.
Last year, I overheard another player who was injured in the preseason complaining to another player (I’m not a stalker. I swear.) that he was healthy again and he was doing everything that the coaches asked of him with a good attitude and everything. He didn’t understand why he wasn’t getting any looks. Parker might be in the same boat.
...I'm probably in Hume Hall
by Nerd the Rebel on Feb 2, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
It sure as shit makes sense
considering how Devin would ball out every spring, but Enricky got 40% of the carries.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Feb 2, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
To be somewhat pedantic, the good part of that is hopefully
“Parker might have been in the same boat.”
Hopefully, as in the new staff won’t play favorites.
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Yes. I hope the same.
...I'm probably in Hume Hall
by Nerd the Rebel on Feb 2, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
What is up with "Billy Ray" Mathews?
He didn’t play a lot last year. I thought he was one of the better hitting DB’s we had.
apparently he fell into the realm of the undesirables
or whatever that bullshit circle of trust thing was
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it broke his achy-breaky heart.
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by Sideline Snead on Feb 2, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And when you fall in with undesirables, you date an undesirable.
And when you date an undesirable, you tie the knot with an undesirable. And when you tie the knot with an undesirable, you end up with a grandson wearing a dog collar.
Don’t end up with a grandson wearing a dog collar. Fire your HC immediately, before he can rape your program.
by OxpatchReb on Feb 2, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Matthews had a bulging disc in his back.
I believe he is seeking a medical redshirt for last season.
...I'm probably in Hume Hall
by Nerd the Rebel on Feb 2, 2012 5:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This is what I heard as well.
Back troubles are a bitch.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Feb 2, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Texas has 407 signees
and not 1 at Ole Miss? Considering the number of Texas students on campus this seems a serious flaw in strategery
There was an article on ESPN the other day
that basically said although prep football is highly competitive in Texas and is a huge deal, it didn’t mean the players were any better from any other state in the collegiate ranks. Just a much bigger fish bowl.
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and that may well be true
I’ve seen more than my share of crappy high school football teams, but not 1? There may be no connections or pipeline but with the number of kids from Houston and DFW in Oxford there is an opportunity, isn’t there?
Yeah but I am not sure having a bunch of suburbanites from Dallas and Houston qualifies as a "pipeline" to Texas
"They score so fast it messes you up" - Houston Nutt
Nor am I
But many, if not, most of Texas signees come from DFW, Houston and Austin suburban schools as well

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