Tuesday Question: One of Pardon
by Juco All-American on Jan 4, 2012 11:30 AM EST
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PrintGenerally, we are the "authors" of "content" around here - "here" being a blog and not a message board. Recognize, we do, that you've come here not to contribute, but to consume. Nevertheless, there is the sporadic occasion where, either for our benefit or for to exercise the thinkifiers of the masses, we ask you a question. Today's question is . . .
"Are you pleased with the re-hiring of Derrick Nix?"
I think there are arguments to be made each way in this debate. He seems to be a good recruiter, but the lack of progression of our backs under his tutelage can be supported statistically. Whether that's his fault, I'm not sure. Anyway, what do you think?
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Enrique Davis
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 4, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions
That's a good point
But, and maybe I’m being a little generous here, the offensive line and play callers share a bit of the blame for ol Enrique. It is hard to be a great RB when your offensive line would get beaten by Stephen Hawkins. Plus, its hard to get yardage when you run it up the middle every damn time.
In my body, where the shame gland should be, there is a second awesome gland. True story.
by Duece's accoutant on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, yeah it should say that.
I got a little over zealous with my typing this morning. I think it may have been that pot of coffee.
In my body, where the shame gland should be, there is a second awesome gland. True story.
by Duece's accoutant on Jan 4, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but Enricky was going to be a bust regardless of who his position coach was.
He just sucks.
This is where I'll defend my position
Enrique doesn’t suck. He tore it up in high school in Florida. He was a beast. He was legitimately 220 lbs and ran a solid 4.5. A bust would entail someone they gambled on. This guy wasn’t a gamble coming out of HS/Hargrave, it wasn’t as if coaches thought “maybe he won’t work out.”
I don’t know if he always had poor vision, but even when we had good offensive lines, he looked like he was stutter-stepping. Outside of him developing some mental tick that prevented him from running to space, I have to put that on Derrick Nix. Bolden was just a hard worker who ran with authority while being patience. I don’t think he got that much better from 08-’10, he just got more of the focus in 2010 because he and Masoli were our only two offensive weapons.
All that to say, I’m fine with keeping Nix on because he is a good recruiter. I just don’t think he’s any better of a coach than his brother.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
being patient*
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 5, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
"I just don't think he's any better of a coach than his brother."
Are you kidding me? Tyrone Nix is one of the top two or three defensive coordinators in the nation. Urban Meyer tried to steal him from us, but we held on to him because he loves Mississippi, and he knows Houston Nutt’s going to bring us to the promised land.
Woops. Sorry. Forgot it was 2012 and not 2009.
by TwoYardsandaCloudofEnricky on Jan 5, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
So he's a bad coach because of En-ricky?
but get’s no credit for Bolden?
That’s not consistent.
Bolden’s yards per carry went up 1.2 yards from soph to junior year. He really improved after a little slump in the soph year. Bolden was a tactician as well – good at reading blocks, knowing when to bounce it, and good at avoiding contact and tackles. You have to give Nix some credit for that, especially if you’re blaming him for En-ricky never panning out.
And if En-ricky ran a real 4.5, he would have never been caught from behind at Alabama in 2008. That would make the guy that caught him have a 3.9 40.
I'm okay with it
Obviously, wasn’t my first choice to keep on staff off last year. But the fact we could get any yards on the ground behind that pitiful offense line the last two years is alright. He was our recruiting coordinator I think and that offers some stability between coaching staffs. Plus, we never had bad classes, just undisciplined classes that never seemed to last. And at the end of the day, he’ll be a running backs coach in a more pass-oriented offense. How much will that matter from a positional aspect, we’ll see.
I think it’s a good idea to have some continuity from the last staff.
En-ricky sucked from day 1 and was never who we thought he was. I don’t know if that’s the best indicator. I think Bolden is a better one. Bolden had a great freshman year (542 yards, 5.5 ypc), so-so Soph season (614 yards, 4.8 ypc, monster junior season (976 yards, 6.0 ypc), and stunk it up his last year. I’m not sure how much of that had to do with Nix’ coaching and how much had to do with the OL, Nutt, and general craptasticness of last year’s team.
Bottom line, I think he is a great recruiter and did enough as a coach to call it a good hire. Freeze’s RBs didn’t do much at A State so the coaching aspect may not be as important as another position.
Good for recruiting
I’m just not sure about the coaching portion. Aside from Dex (who made his own routes) none of his backs have ever really shined. So I dunno..
"Go then, there are other worlds than these"-The Gunslinger
by ARebel21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's all about recruiting.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jan 4, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Brandon Bolden's Junior #'s
163 carries for 976 yards and 14TDs – a 6.0 average
32 receptions for 344 yards and 3 TDs – a 10.8 average
If the combination of the ankle injury and the shitty OL and crappy season wouldn’t have happened; a repeat of that year would have made him our all time leading rusher.
As it happened – he finished with 2585 rushing yards and 807 receiving yards. I think that’s good enough to be counting as shining.
Don’t let the last thing you saw define who he was. He was a good back – never 100% his senior year.
I'm happy with Bolden
His was a great RB other than the fact Nutt would put him in to the the Wild Rebel which he almost always fumbled the ball
Bolden...
I was thinking today about what Bolden’s legacy at Ole Miss will be. He played with so much heart his first three years, chose to come back for his senior year, gets hurt and suspended and drug through the back half of his senior season. He did a lot of good for Ole Miss, but he was part of a team that gave up. I’m just wondering how history will shine on him.
For the record, I always had tons of respect for the guy, and I hope he gets a chance to play on Sunday.
...I'm probably in Hume Hall
by Nerd the Rebel on Jan 4, 2012 6:29 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I was for a
Massive House cleaning from top to bottom. Beam them all down to Ceti Alpha VI.
Graduated University of Mississippi Leonard McCoy School of Medicine, 2481
by SkylarkThibedeau on Jan 4, 2012 12:56 PM EST reply actions
If retaining Nix
helps us keep I’Tavius Mathers committed then I’m all for it. Otherwise, I guess I’d rather have Nix, who we at least know can recruit, than a running backs coach that I’ve never heard of who has a lack of experience recruiting in the SEC. I don’t think Nix can be given too much blame for our recent running back problems in Nutt’s offense for the same reason I won’t be giving him an overwhelming amount of credit if our running game excels in Freez’e offense. Those are feelings I reserve for the guy calling the plays.
I always say 'beer me.' It gets a laugh, like, a quarter of the time.
by BeerMeAHottyToddy on Jan 4, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions
That should say "Freeze's"
Fucking edit button.
I always say 'beer me.' It gets a laugh, like, a quarter of the time.
by BeerMeAHottyToddy on Jan 4, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I am fine with it
Freeze still has a few spots to fill, so I’d like to see us get somebody from Texas A & M former staff to recruit in Texas and Louisiana, and someone off UNC’s former staff.
Nix has recruited some good backs, Nutt played who he wanted. Realisticly, there is not a lot to screw up coaching wise, RB coach is more of a recruiting position.
Eddie Grand has made a living off recruiting, that’s why he is at that position at FSU.
I think we may or may not hire an OC/ Wr coach depending on who we can get, we still need a special teams coach and cornerback coach, since Womack will probably just coach safeties.
by hotstove97 on Jan 4, 2012 4:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Is anyone
worried about hiring an OC, I was happy with the Freeze hire just because of HIS offense not someone who would run the same offense as we have been
Freeze already said he's calling all the plays
which I believe is part of the reason why Brewer decided to go to UNC. If we hire an OC it will mostly be just to have another recruiter on staff.
Great Idea
I’m reiterating pretty much the same as everyone else. He is a good Recruiter, he knows everyone on the team better than anyone else on the staff and Nutt’s offense made all of our backs suck even if Jesus Christ was the running back coach it’d still ended up the same way. I think he’ll have a much better opportunity to showcase his coaching skills with Freeze’s offense, especially with Jeff Scott, No huddle, fast paced offense should do very well with him and Matters, Walton and Hilton if we get them all here
I have come to the conclusion that there are very few GREAT RB coaches
and most are on staffs primarily as recruiters. not saying that RB coaches don’t add anything, but RB seems to be a position where the player either gets it or doesn’t. Things like speed, vision, cutting, etc seem to be more a “natural ability” rather than a “taught/learned” skill. True, a coach can help improve those things, but only to a point. They mostly teach where to line up and who to pick up in pass pro. So all in all, if Nix can help us bring in some backs with those abilities, then I am all for it.
Just my opinion.
Just another "good for nothing law school grad".
Disclaimer: My description of the duties of a collegiate RB coach were meant in no way to demean the position.
Just another "good for nothing law school grad".
by RebelBarrister on Jan 4, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
You know, I said the same thing about our basketball team
last year when the school forced AK to fire all our assist coaches and hire new ones. I don’t want to be “that guy” and throw this in everyone’s face, but I played college basketball. Not high-major, big-time ball, but I did play. The most important job an assistant coach has is recruiting- period. The really good assistant coaches also help with player development, but those guys are few and far between. I think fans, in general, way overrate the value of assistant coaches. Look at our basketball team- everyone was hoping these new assistants would help turn things around, but the reality is that the head coach is in-charge and calls almost all the shots. Our basketball team looks exactly the same this season as it has in previous seasons. That will not change unless we get an influx of McDonald’s All-Americans or bring in a new coach, because AK’s system isn’t working. He could bring in Phil Jackson and Red Auerbach as assistants and the results would still be the same.
To be perfectly honest....
you can’t blame the lack of running back production on the RB’s. If they were missing open holes created by the line then I would question their vision. If they were failing to line up correctly and fumbling the ball too often I would blame the coach. What you can’t do is blame the RB coach for his players running to where the hole is supposed to be and finding out upon arrival that the offense did not block properly, call a better play for the situation or because in desperation you have attempted to change your offense all together because you finally figured out you can’t bully the other defenses out of the way.
Don’t blame the RB’s for the failure of the HC to produce an offense that is productive. The lack of consistent play calling, lack of deception, lack of surprise and lack of QB development is not the RB’s coach fault.
That is not his job, his job was to condition the players, makes sure they knew where to line up, where to run with the ball, who to block and to teach them to hang on to the ball.
Can't blame the coach
For a false start that turns a 3rd and 2 into 3rd and 7 and moron Nutt calling a draw.
Graduated University of Mississippi Leonard McCoy School of Medicine, 2481
by SkylarkThibedeau on Jan 5, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
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