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On Ole Miss Quarterbacks for the 2012 Season

We at the Cup figured that with the addition of Bo Wallace to this year’s signing class, it’d be timely to explore the upcoming quarterback competition that should begin in earnest this spring.

Wallace, alongside incoming freshman C.J. Beathard, will give us at least six quarterbacks in the rotation. However, if the Rebels receive a commitment from their last quarterback left on the board-the highly touted Jeremy Liggins out of Lafayette-things could shape up differently with seven guys in the mix.

Below the jump, I’ll go over what we think are the most likely scenarios.

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One thing that I like about Freeze is his ability to recognize that there’s not much outstanding talent at the QB position. I think that’s one of the reasons that, despite having three scholarship players and a greyshirt in Maikhail Miller, Freeze still made it a point to honor CJ Beathard’s s offer, pursue a highly touted JuCo gunslinger and continue pursuing J-Lig. I think that with no clear-cut starter, he wants the most options possible.

So, with Jeremy Liggins being the lone wildcard at this point, I’ll put forth two scenarios dependent on whether or not J-Lig chooses to stay in Oxford. In either scenario, I’d expect Beathard to redshirt.

If Liggins does not commit to Ole Miss:
Unless the evaluations were completely off base, I expect Bo Wallace to assume to starting role by the first week of spring ball. Even if the coaches won’t come out and say it, there’s a reason they went after this guy.

A couple of things stand out about Wallace. He’s got good height, an accurate arm and decent mobility. He’s not going to take off out of the pocket, but he possesses enough speed to run a good read-option or scramble out of the pocket and make plays. With Freeze’s offensive system, he’d already be an appealing prospect. Considering that Freeze coached him at ASU, the familiarity with the system would also favor Wallace.

What I’m most excited about is Wallace’s potential. I haven’t been too wooly about JuCo quarterbacks in the past, for obvious reasons. However, Wallace seems to possess a great deal of upside. He ran an option-oriented offense in high school, rushing and passing for over 1,000 yards. After signing with ASU, Wallace redshirted and quickly discovered that Ryan Aplin was a badass QB (for the Sun Belt).

In his first year of action at EMCC, Wallace threw for over 4,000 yards. Regardless of the level of competition, one does not simply throw for 4,000 yards in a single season.The only number that worries me is the interception number: 14. Those worries are assuaged though when you look at how many passes he threw this year: 502, with a 66% completion rate.

Though he’ll have to battle against Barry Brunetti and Randall Mackey, I think the position will be Wallace’s to lose. I think Mackey’s disciplinary issues and general lack of on-the-field production, on top of the fact that he has just one year of eligibility, brings his chances down.

Though I think Brunetti got the short end of the stick from Nutt, I just don’t know if he possesses the physical capacity to be an SEC quarterback. He can run, but not quite enough to compensate for his erratic throws. Also, he now only has two years of eligibility because, after watching three QBs for six months, Houston Nutt still couldn’t make up his fucking mind. Thus, Brunetti will be a junior this season. Hey, I’m sure those 14 minutes as a starter against BYU were worth it though, right?

As for Zack Stoudt…well, I think Maikhail Miller probably has a better chance to play than Stoudt. The guy has cannon for an arm, but the pocket awareness and mobility of a statue. One does not simply throw five picks against Vanderbilt and continue playing college football.

I still think Miller will end up moving to tight-end or something along those lines. Though Freeze is honoring his scholarship offer, which had previously been retracted, Miller is an unlikely candidate. Also, he apparently suffers from the same affliction ailing Couscous, so I don't think that will help his case.

If Jeremy Liggins does commit to Ole Miss:

This is where things get tricky. Liggins is a humongous quarterback, with good wheels and a strong arm. He doesn’t always deliver the most beautiful of throws, but he’s shown good touch on the deep-ball, good leadership qualities and HOLY SHIT HE’S 270 lbs.

Despite the intangibles he comes with, 4A ball in Mississippi is a world away from SEC football. One does not simply walk into the SEC and perform well.

In this case, I expect a mixed bag. I’d think Wallace still has the lead and would get a majority of the snaps. If I’m Freeze though, the thought of having a 270 pound QB who can actual throw and run would have me foaming at the mouth, particularly in third and short situations. I could see Liggins just having an offensive package centered around him for those types of situations.

With Liggins on tap, I’d also expect Brunetti and Mackey to drop to 3rd and 4th on the depth chart. Freeze is looking to bring in his own guys who have multiple years to learn the system.

As a caveat, I write this from the perspective that Wallace was signed under the assumption that he’d have the lead in the QB race. If Mackey or Brunetti come out firing on all cylinders in spring ball, there will obviously be a reevaluation of this.

For now though, it looks as if Bo Wallace will be the next quarterback for Ole Miss.

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I have to say I like how this shapes up

Hopefully the signing of Wallace does not drive away Liggins. I could very easily see an Auburn type situation from last year, or dare I say, a Leake/Tebow arrangement. They always say if you have two QBs you have none, but not if one is a pocket passer and the other is two years younger and 270 pounds.

Liggins aside, I think with that many guys competing, someone will step up (dammit I said that last year too).

by Operation_Masoli_Freedom on Jan 12, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

what about redshirting liggins if wallace ends up being productive?

and bumping brunnetti and mackey up one spot on the depth chart? thus giving liggins a year to adjust and practice and an extra year to be the starter… assuming we are in for another long ass season i would think this would be a plausible option in looking toward the future

by RebelBlackBear on Jan 12, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i really don't think all of these guys end up on the roster

i think maybe stoudt will transfer and we might cut mackey loose for his um (cough) issues with authority. i think the depth chart ends up being 1) Wallace 2) Liggins 3)Brunetti 4)Miller

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by Olemissreb451 on Jan 12, 2012 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

I was under the impression

that Miller will be on the team as a tight end.

/doesn’t really make a difference

by JimHalpert on Jan 12, 2012 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

I had Boromir on the brain today

"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf

by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 13, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

In my body, where the shame gland should be, there is a second awesome gland. True story.

by Duece's accoutant on Jan 13, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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I just saw Sean bean in Drag. One cannot unsee Boromir in Drag.

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by SkylarkThibedeau on Jan 13, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s pretty well accepted Maikhail Miller moves to tight end because of the overload of quarterback and also only two tight ends, both seniors, on the roster with no tight ends in this incoming recruiting class so far and none really expected to be.
Bo Wallace has more familiarity with Freeze’s system than any QB on the roster and will have a whole spring practice on Liggins in terms of that familiarity, development and accord with receivers. With a new coach, there’s no incumbent quarterback (the closest thing probably being Brunetti), but I would imagine between Freeze and Werner, they might settle on an incumbent after watching film of all the QBs including the new guys.
If I’m Freeze, it’s Wallace’s job to lose and, if at all possible, redshirt Beathard and Liggins unless one of them helps you win now. I don’t think Freeze would have recruited Wallace if he didn’t want or didn’t think he could win next year. And by win, I don’t mean 8-9 games, I mean 4-5, maybe 6 games and go to a bowl game.

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by akmiller on Jan 12, 2012 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

I think you mean 2012

Wish we could have a do-over on 2011 though

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by charlym on Jan 12, 2012 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

Apologies

I’m still putting /11 at the end of my dates.

Fixed.

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by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 13, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

"One does not simply walk into the SEC..."

I see what you did there.

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by bowtierebel on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Seeing this comment and the one above

Let’s me know I’m not alone #Nerd

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by ARebel21 on Jan 13, 2012 1:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why is everyone counting Mackey out?

He has arguably the strongest arm on the team (Stoudt), is a better runner than Brunetti, and had us looking much more respectable than Stoudt or Brunetti. Hugh Freeze seems to like a running QB, and Wallace runs a 5 flat forty.

I think Mackey is far and away the most talented, he just needs to not be suspended.

by drcurly on Jan 13, 2012 2:13 AM EST reply actions  

sure,

with the qb killa out of the picture, perhaps Mackey will polish up, on and off the field.

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by SloansQB4HC on Jan 13, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I just dont think he is sec material. We have tried the small, faster qbs. They havent worked. When we have won football games we have had a tall, strong armed, thinking qb.

by Areyouready?nonotreally on Jan 13, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Because...

I don’t rate him at all. He looks total shite in every game. You expect a player in his position to boss the middle of the field, and he just can’t do it.

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by astaylo1 on Jan 13, 2012 9:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

He winds up on his arse like every other shite footie player

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by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 13, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Mackey has got to be 2nd on the depth chart...

while I’d love to say Brunetti has the ability, there’s a reason he didn’t make it at WVU and a reason he only played one game last year. As inept as Mackey may have been, coaches knew it would only get worse with Brunetti. Plain and simple, he can’t throw. If you watched the BYU game you know that.

by Iamblackbearhearmeroar on Jan 13, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

He was 2/3 for 4 yards.

Our offense was never on the field because they weren’t letting him throw deep.

"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf

by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 13, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Please tell me you're not suggesting

that you were encouraged by Brunetti’s potential as a passer at any point during the season. I thought he played with a lot of heart in the state game but I still never got the feeling that I was watching a guy who could be a successful SEC qb. I hope I’m wrong but I just don’t think he has the arm.

I do hope that Mackey will have more success in Freeze’s offense. Freeze also seems like a coach that will get his players in line so maybe discipline won’t be an issue.

by Iamblackbearhearmeroar on Jan 13, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if we have a large enough sample to know

He played so little early, and late in the season, the team had quit.

He needs to improve on accuracy, but I’m not willing to throw him down the tubes in favor of a JUCO – I think I know how that movie ends.

by Me and Paul on Jan 15, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

To answer the first question

Mackey has one year of eligibility left and was very pedestrian this year. I’ll go ahead and say that Wallace has a stronger arm than Mackey. There were numerous throws this year where RM tossed up a well-under thrown ball that made the receiver come back to it.

Also, he was suspended for two games this season. I have a hard time thinking a brand new coach will hand the reins to a QB who has one year left with a history of discipline problems. At most positions, you could get away with two suspensions in a season. For a quarterback, the margin of error is much more slim. I’m not saying he’s a bad kid, but if he’s not sharp enough to understand that D-I QBs just shouldn’t be getting suspended, he’s not sharp enough to be a starter in the SEC. However, as I wrote in the second-to-last paragraph, he could very well just blow everyone out of the water at camp and be named the starter. I just don’t think it’ll happen.

As for Wallace, I’m positive he runs a decent 40. Here is a highlight reel of him in HS. He ran the option a good bit, but there’s a good 80 yard run where he’s going down the sideline and it’s pretty clear that for a 6’4 QB, he has damn good running ability. Moreover, there’s a clip of him making a pick in the endzone as a safety which impressed me. You can say what you will about the level of competition, but he’s clearly not another Zack Stoudt.

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by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 13, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Of the 2011 qbs,

yeah, mackey might have had the most talent. But 2011 was terrible for all of them – by results all are (were) shit. Offensive identity and competition at the position will hopefully produce a pecking order and better leadership.

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by Old HWY 6 on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Can we please stop acting like

mackey has a strong arm?? He can barely throw the deep out when our receiver has 2 or 3 steps on the defender. Mackey is not the one. He’s the next Schaefer, and I dont even know if he’s that good. Let’s move on.

by bovice on Jan 15, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

CJ beathard

ha ha

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by Old HWY 6 on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Whoever plays QB

I hope Freeze will do everyone the courtesy of making the decision on who starts before the eve of the first game.

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by charlym on Jan 13, 2012 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

When Nutt pulled Brunetti midway through the first quarter

I knew we were fucked. He had spring ball and fall camp and still didn’t know who was the best quarterback on the team? What the hell was he watching all that time? I know none of them are particularly outstanding, but it’s very rare that three quarterbacks all are performing at the same level in practice.

If Brunetti was the clear cut best option in camp, I would have liked to see him get the chance to settle into the role for a couple of games. The fact that we didn’t even know who our best QB was by the middle of the season was ridiculous.

"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf

by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 13, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like that's why we lost to Jacksonville State in 2010

We pulled Stanley for Masoli after the half and it killed all the momentum we had on offense.

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by charlym on Jan 13, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh, that momentumless offense scored 48 pts and put up 479yds in total offense.

That game was on the defense, and ONLY on the defense. Period.

Much like the Auburn, LSU and the State games. I personally think we could have beaten State if the defense had shown up even a little bit, but there are certainly valid arguments to the contrary.

by OxpatchReb on Jan 13, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes your best defense is a good offense

we were scoring at will until Masoli came in then we couldn’t move the ball to save our lives.

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by charlym on Jan 13, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Shirley, you can't be serious.

It was Jackson-fucking-ville State. We could have used ME at QB and beaten that team.

It really doesn’t matter who was taking snaps. Our defense should have been able to hold that fucking team to LESS than 40 pts. The same defense that held Tulane, Vandy, Fresno, UK, Bama, Ark, ULL, and State to LESS THAN 40 PTS.

by OxpatchReb on Jan 13, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Things that Vandy, Tulane, UK, Bama, Ark and ULL had in common:

they didn’t run the read option.

Our players had enough heart to get up and not let state score 30. Nix was turble.

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by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 13, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

All I'm saying is

if Nutt hadn’t taken out Stanley and left off the gas pedal on offense, we wouldn’t be having this argument. Defense aside, if the offense scores 1 more point in regulation than we did, we win and we aren’t having this conversation. Nutt took Stanley out of the 1st string offense and put in a less-than-ready Masoli and the offense never got to clicking again. Yes our defense shouldn’t have allowed 40 pts to Jacksonville State, but if the offense had been left alone and performed in the 2nd half like we did in the first, we win like 70-35 or something crazy like that. Once we stopped trying to kill them offensively and they started getting stops defensively, they were a whole new team. I am just saying if we hadn’t totally changed our strategy offensively we would probably have won.

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by charlym on Jan 13, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Nutt lost my support....

that day. I knew then he really didn’t know what he was doing. For someone who had been in football that long he should understand the importance of momentum more than that. He also, should have understood the importance of momentum and winning big early for that team. When you have a team down and you are an SEC team, you have to show no mercy, to anyone, whether they play in the SEC or not you have to put your foot on their throat and stab them through their heart. Mercy is for losers, who think they are better than they are.

by ramblinrebel1 on Jan 15, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

The attitude should be .....

first team to sixty wins. If you don’t have 60 points yet the offense is not through scoring. Sitting on leads is not what lesser programs can afford to do. Lesser programs need to score as much as they can when they can.

by ramblinrebel1 on Jan 15, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

No!!!

You did not seriously mention (HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED) and the game that I’m still trying to erase from my memory. I’ll put it to you this way:
What if I told you a random football team was playing their first game of the year against a fcs team. At halftime said team was ahead 31-10. The starting qb for the team leading at half had 3 yd passes but was benched for the second half (no reason given). The backup qb led the team to a grand total of 3 second half points while the fcs team managed to tie the
game AND eventually win in overtime.

Looking back and thinking about all we’ve gone through since…didnt it start with (HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED)? Besides the fact that the athletic administration seemed hell-bent on imploding the entire program.

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by SportsGuyGL on Jan 13, 2012 2:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

*3 td passes

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by SportsGuyGL on Jan 13, 2012 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not faulting our program for brining in Masoli

I think it was a great addition because let’s face it he was a Heisman contender going in to that season with Oregon until he got booted. I just think Nutt should have either left Stanley in the whole game or played Masoli from the start. Everyone and their mother knew Masoli was going to play the majority of the time anyway so why not just throw him to the wolves from the get-go?

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by charlym on Jan 13, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Masoli kept 2010

from being 2011.

The spectator is compelled to look directly down the road and into the middle of the picture. -Baldessari

by Old HWY 6 on Jan 13, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

How so?

He definitely was a major factor in the jstate loss, prolly the handy loss as well. What game did he win for us? He played great against Arkansas but we lost anyway. Other than that I can’t recall him having any games that were above average even.

by Littlerockrebelfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Vandy loss. Damn iPhones.

by Littlerockrebelfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

he played good in a losing effort at LSU...

i never thought stanley was a “bad” QB.. i wish we would have given him a chance

by RebelBlackBear on Jan 14, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Kentucky was all him.

And think about how much he ran for his life. That’s almost always a sack with Stanley.

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by Mexter Dccluster on Jan 14, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

My memories of the Kentucky game

are that they turned it over to us several times deep in their own territory, we ran the ball well and actually played ok defense at times. Too lazy to actually look up the ranger’s stats. As for mobility, there were quite a few plays we would have been better off tacking the sack. Given a full 12 games, I’m sure nutt could have turned Stanley into a total wreck though.

by Littlerockrebelfan on Jan 14, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sold on Wallace yet

Remember that Freeze wanted him to walk on before State offered.

I just think if we were that high on the guy, we would have offered a scholly up front.

by Me and Paul on Jan 13, 2012 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

At the time Freeze offered Wallace the prefferred walk-on spot, no one else had offered

and it was considered a shoe-in he would accept the walk-on spot. Why use up a scholly if you know the player is yours either way?

Not saying I am sold either (I do think he may end up being the best option for several reasons, not all having to do with him), just one way to look at the line of thinking of the staff on this one.

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by RebelBarrister on Jan 13, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Freeze knew what he would be up against with our scholly situation. APR is killing us and he needs

as many available schollies as possible to lure as many players as possible to fill the holes Nutt left.

He knew Wallace was coming. It wasn’t an if, it was a positive. Once other teams got involved, he offered to make sure the kid still comes here. Simple.

by OxpatchReb on Jan 13, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Could we possibly move Mackey to WR?

I really see no need for him on the QB’s roster but he does however have the size and athletics to be used somewhere on the field.

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by TD's and Beer on Jan 13, 2012 4:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I was wondering the same

about Brunetti. Seems like he could be a decent slot receiver, Wes Welker-like.

by Iamblackbearhearmeroar on Jan 13, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The QB position is.....

Bo Wallace’s to lose. He ran a very similar offense in JUCO. Brunetti and Mackey need to go play corner or safety. We have backs that can run out of the offense in Thomas and Scott. Similar to that of Oregon’s RB’s. Our offensive line should improve under the coaching of someone that really knows how to coach the offense. We have plenty of talent at receiving and should be able to score points against everyone except Bama, of course to score on Bama you have to throw the ball well. Ask LSU?

Let’s hope Shack is back and can bring the defense together. There are opportunities for the defense to be good given they buy into their coaching and play their positions as coached. There are 26 returning Juniors at this point, they need to show some leadership on the team, if they want to be winners.

by ramblinrebel1 on Jan 15, 2012 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

I think I could complete.....

passes in a spread offense that included Jam-es Logan, Donte Moncrief and Nick Brassell. Give me two backs that can run to day light and catch the ball out of the backfield with a tight end that can block and catch and I’m certain points can be put on the board.
Using multiple shifts in the alignment I’m sure we can get mismatches and missed assignments that will leave someone open.

This may be the most talented offense Hugh Freeze has ever coached. I don’t see how we won’t score points.

by ramblinrebel1 on Jan 15, 2012 12:49 AM EST reply actions  

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