Why It's Not About the Symbols
I know most of the regulars around here think that the whole "symbols" and "traditions" arguments that many of our fans make is an utter and absolute joke. And they're right. So if you're new to the Red Cup Rebellion and you want to talk about how the removal of tradition is hurting our school, please take a moment and let me tell you how stupid you are.
I'm going to break down why this is not about the mascot so you can understand it: If your child had a big wart on the end of his nose and all of the other kids on the playground made fun of him, you might want to have the wart removed. Sure, you're the kid's family and you've always loved him just the way that he was, but you did it because it was what was best for the future of the kid. Colonel Reb, for as much as many of us loved him, was one of the warts on the face of our school and the administration felt like it was time for us as a school to move in a positive direction.
And before the name-calling begins I'll tell you about myself. I'm a lifelong Rebel. I attended Ole Miss and have two degrees from there. I am not a liberal. I don't hate the school. To the contrary, I LOVE my school. I love it so much that I'm willing to let certain things go like a silly guy in a foam suit because I want Ole Miss to be competitive both academically and athletically.
I agree with many of you that the administration mishandled the way they went about doing things. I don't think anyone likes thinking they've been deceived and many people did. I'm not one of those people but I can see their point of view when they say they think the mascot issue was done in an underhanded way. But sometimes people in a position of power do things that they think are best for us without consulting us first. They raise tuition without asking the students and their parents first. They remodel buildings without consulting with the alumni first. The mascot issue is just another one of those things. You should be glad they at least let us vote on what a replacement mascot was going to be because they didn't have to do that.
"Oh," I hear, "But there are so many people out there who are making fun of us for changing out mascot to the black bear. All of my friends from LSU, Mississippi State and Auburn are laughing at us."
Yeah. Those people are our rivals and it wouldn't matter what our mascot was. They'd be making fun of us with Colonel Reb because our mascot was racist and they'll make fun of the bear because it's something different from Colonel Reb. That's what rivals do. If the constant comments from others bothers you, you gotta learn how to let that nonsense roll off your back like water off a duck's. If they don't think it's bothering you then they'll quit doing it. Really, it's playground mentality for grownups.
We're not the only school to have changed our traditions. Stanford, Illinois, Syracuse, and Arkansas State have all removed Native American mascots. While Stanford and Illinois maintained their nickname, Syracuse dropped the moniker "Orangemen" and became the "Orange" and Arkansas State became the Red Wolves. Three of those four schools are much bigger than we are and they have all kept their fan following. I know it's hard to change what you've always known but sometimes you just have to do it. Many of us younger fans have only known Colonel Reb as the mascot. But it's past time to move on from that.
Guys, seriously, it's like you went to your parents' home one day - the home you grew up in and have always known - and they repainted the walls and got rid of your childhood teddy bear. It's still the same room but there are some things that are different. It's more modern and made to function better for the times we're living in. Are you going to stop speaking to your parents because they got rid of your teddy bear without your permission? Can you not function as an adult without a symbolic vestige of your childhood?
I hear so many people grumbling like children about all of these stupid symbols when in reality our university has made great strides to become a better school - and, news flash everyone, it is a school. I visited the campus for the first time in several years when I took my cousin up and I was very impressed with the improvements made on campus. Renovations everywhere. The Journalism School was so impressive that my very successful uncle who has super-high standards felt that it was a great place for his only child to attend school. Before visiting Ole Miss he didn't think anything could compare with Nebraska and Missouri's journalism schools but he really felt like the journalism school at Ole Miss was a quality place. And for those of you who are unaware, it's no longer a journalism department but its own school like the School of Engineering or the School of Liberal Arts.
I have a couple of qualms with how Dan Jones has handled a few (and I mean a very few) things but I think that overall he's done a fairly good job with managing the school itself. Boone, on the other hand, has done little to help our school's athletic programs. He's supposed to be managing the entire school's athletics and he's basically thrown his hands up in the air and shrugged like there's nothing he can do about it. I'm not willing to accept that.
So, please, stop bitching about the loss of symbols and traditions. There are plenty of other schools who have done the same and have remained (or even become more) successful. Right now we're not successful because the people who are running the show are inept. But the logic that a mascot or a song or a flag would make a difference in how we perform is about as ridiculous as thinking that wearing the same pair of underwear every day makes you successful at work.
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And Before Someone Jumps My Ass About This
… by saying that “if the mascot doesn’t make us win or lose games, then why should we get rid of it,” here’s my rebuttal:
You’re absolutely right, a mascot doesn’t make you win or lose games. We’ve had successful years with Colonel Reb and we’ve had unsuccessful ones without him. That alone proves that the mascot has no bearing on wins and losses.
But as to why we should change it if it “ultimately doesn’t matter” – It’s for the school as a whole. When you provide an environment that is more welcoming and more attractive to a wider base of people, then it’s for the betterment of everyone who attends the school. If you say you don’t care about being appealing to anyone but those like yourself and “if they don’t like it, they can go elsewhere” I have this to offer you: Mississippi ranks consistently in the bottom academically in this country. When we have an opportunity to attract good students who will go on to be successful adults who are from places other than Mississippi, then we’ve not only helped those people by offering them scholarships both on and off the field, but we’ve helped ourselves as well.
Success on the field, while it doesn’t have a direct correlation to success in the classroom and the university as a whole, does provide an outlet to gain media exposure – particularly when you’re in a conference with the exposure that the SEC provides. Say someone sees that gorgeous new 60 second spot that the school just put out and they don’t know much about the school but it looks nice and they’d like to check it out just because they happened to be watching Ole Miss play on television. That doesn’t happen when you’re so unattractive as a team that you don’t get picked up for games. One of my roommates (who’s from Michigan) literally saw a commercial for Ole Miss and thought it looked nice and decided to go to school there so I know it happens. But it doesn’t happen if we’re not getting the exposure that a winning team provides.
God, I hate to comment to my own post twice
But I do need to make a correction. Stanford’s original nickname was the Indians, not the Cardinal. I had been under the assumption that their nickname was the Cardinal but their mascot was a Native American Indian. That assumption was incorrect. The change was made by the Stanford student body in 1972 when Native American Stanford students expressed that they did not like the school’s mascot.
In a way, I think the mascot fiasco is a perfect microcosm of everything that has gotten Ole Miss to the low point it's at now.
As everyone else in the SEC worries about winning games and championships and generally fielding competitive programs we’re worried about such matters as a damn mascot on the sidelines.
Ole Miss: #1 in partying, mediocre in athletics and academics since 1848.
by Wild Rebel on Sep 20, 2011 4:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Um, the Syracuse story needs a little clarification.
Yes, they got rid of the “Saltine Warrior,” which was a stereotyped Indian, but the reason they changed the name from “Orangemen” to “Orange” was because people kept thinking they were named for the Irish Protestants (which really pissed off the Catholics).
Dude, I like Katy Perry and watch "Glee." I’m pretty much a lost fucking cause.
by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Sep 20, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions
Sorry
You are correct, I oversimplified the situation (I actually cobbled the whole thing from a conversation where I was making several of the points I made in this) but either way the change was made because there was a group out there who felt offended by the name as well as the Native American mascot which is why the changes were made.
Thanks for clarifying.
by Catfish Row on Sep 20, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd. I especially enjoyed this:
“Can you not function as an adult without a symbolic vestige of your childhood?”
Amen. Good post.
I always say 'beer me.' It gets a laugh, like, a quarter of the time.
by BeerMeAHottyToddy on Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good post.
I’m tempted to just print it out and keep it in my wallet to shove under the nose of any asshat talking about “heritage”.
..but they probably couldn’t read!! HAHA! Right guys??
I would just add...
That The University just enrolled the largest freshman class in its and the State of Mississippi’s history and every one of them knew that Rebel the Black Bear was the mascot. A lot of people fault Drs. Khayat and Jones for decisions made about removing university symbols, but during the last decade when many of these changes have been going on Ole Miss has grown at an average rate of 4 times that as the school beneath us and we are becoming a national university as evidenced by over half of this year’s freshmen being from out-of-state. According to the last census, Oxford is the fastest growing non-urban/metropolitan city in Mississippi. The University and Oxford have both prospered greatly under their leaderships. Have decisions and implementation of those decisions been handled poorly, yes, but ultimately we have a better university because of them.
I don’t like Mullet and I wouldn’t ever want to have a coach like him. I find it funny when fans of TSBU talk about him bringing “pride” and “success” back to their school. Success to them equals a fifth place finish in the SEC West and back to back wins over us. What he has been good at is channeling hostility and anger towards an outside “enemy.” We however can’t stop fighting among ourselves long enough to realize there are outside enemies, and many of them are the people behind the Col Reb PAC. .
Nice post.
Wish everyone felt that way.
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This has always been my position...
Yeah. Those people are our rivals and it wouldn’t matter what our mascot was. They’d be making fun of us with Colonel Reb because our mascot was racist and they’ll make fun of the bear because it’s something different from Colonel Reb. That’s what rivals do. If the constant comments from others bothers you, you gotta learn how to let that nonsense roll off your back like water off a duck’s. If they don’t think it’s bothering you then they’ll quit doing it. Really, it’s playground mentality for grownups.
But you and I are on opposite sides of this equation. They’ll berate us even if we call ourselves the Ole Miss Tampons or the Mississippi Bar Stools. They always have.
As you said, “It’s what rivals do.”
So why, I ask, do we have to continue this annual pilgrimage to the altar of appeasement and continue sacrificing (whether you like it or not) our history and heritage due to a small faction’s commitment to their self-loathing? Why? It OBVIOUSLY has had no bearing (no pun intended) on our on-field/court/diamond success.
The whole thing is ridiculous.
The Virginia quake that registered in August 2011 was the direct result of the United States Government bouncing a $14 Trillion Check.
As much as I think it's stupid people keep ranting on and on about how changing things at Ole Miss is ruining the university and its athletic teams.
I am curious to know exactly how many people saw Ole Miss as a viable option for college because they got rid of the Colonel, or From Dixie with Love, etc. I’m not losing sleep over the Colonel, or even From Dixie with Love, though I definitely miss that song and think the Ole Miss band’s pregame routine now is basically a waste, but I am curious to know how much better the university really is now.
But I still think the people who say the mascot is either going to win or lose ball games (on both sides of the debate, I should point out) are complete and utter morons.
Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
Do you really not understand what the Colonel represented?
It’s not about what other schools think about us. It’s not about what irritable sports fans think. It’s about doing the right thing. It’s about being a 21st century public educational institution that is inclusive to ALL Mississippians. It’s easy to say “The Colonel/TSWRA/Confederate Flags/Terdishuz etc. isn’t offensive to me, so we should keep it…” when you’re a white middle-class southerner. However, try to have a bit of empathy for someone who may find it abhorrent that a school would use (what appears to many to be) a mascot that symbolizes oppression, racism and exclusivity to certain sects of our state’s population.
If you can’t wrap your head around the fact that a foam headed mascot that looks like a plantation-owning Confederate veteran, waving Confederate flags at games, and chanting TSWRA is offensive to some, then there is nothing that we can do to help you.
It takes a heightened sense of self-importance to decide that your nostalgia is more important than blatantly offending a substantial portion of this state. Frankly, you have no reasonable argument to keep Colonel Reb and all that jazz other than “It’s what I have known and it’s what I like”. Sometimes you have to do what is right instead of what you want.
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
by Mexter Dccluster on Sep 29, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd agree with you in principle that the university should be made more appealing to more people.
But do you realize how many things related to Ole Miss have roots in Old South/Confederate symbolism? For starters, there’s the nickname Rebels, the term Ole Miss itself, the gray pants the football team wears, and the Confederate statue in the Grove. There’s probably at least a half dozen things I didn’t think of.
Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
I Addressed it in my Addendum
God, I love quoting myself:
When you provide an environment that is more welcoming and more attractive to a wider base of people, then it’s for the betterment of everyone who attends the school.
"History and Heritage"?
Which “history and heritage” would you be referring to? Confederate nostalgia only appeals to a shrinking minority of folks.
by WrigleyvilleReb on Sep 29, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions

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