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Practice Report-August 10: Our Offense is Built Perfectly (For the 1930's)

Today was the first day in full pads for the team, which in itself led to a bit more enthusiasm amongst the players. There was a competitive spirit in the air. This could be observed throughout practice as a number of cheers from both the offense and defense (obviously the instigators) was at a premium compared to the other practices.  Besides the obvious characters (Kentrell Lockett and DT Shackleford), the other vocal leaders of the defense appear to be Wayne Dorsey, Damien Jackson, and an occasional outburst from Wesley Pendleton.

On the offensive side, Terrell Grant is by far the loudest cheerleader, but he has been recently overtaken by currently injured E.J. Epperson amongst others.  Along with E.J., H.R. was out again today, with his foot still in a walking boot.  As for a good bit of injury news, Kentrell Lockett was back on the field and appeared to be participating fully in all drills.

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Luckily, with the stretching lineups today, I don't have to go into much detail because they didn't change much.  The only noticeable change today was the presence of Lockett, who I mentioned yesterday took a day off.  Gerald Rivers moved back to second team and it seems as thought all is well in the world. Further, Justin Smith and Uriah Grant stayed with the first team.

Brunetti still stretched with the first team while Randall Mackey was with the second team and Zack Stoudt stayed with the third team.

The defense continued to stretch in the 4-2-5 designation, ensuring Brishen Matthews stretched with the first team and Denzel Nkemdiche stretched with the second team.

Jeff Scott again stretched in the very back of the offense, though it seems as though this is not a punishment of any sort.

Nick Parker, at least to this point, appears to be strictly a halfback.  Most of this probably deals with the fact that he was busy this summer with a full-time job and was not in town. Otherwise, his 5'11" 243lb. frame would be perfect for the job that, at least currently, is rather injured.  Instead, we are dealing with Earnest Harmon as the first string fullback and Justin Bigham (Don't ask. Seriously.) as the second string guy.

Today there was a lot of contact. There were a ton of tackling/blocking/ positioning drills that were unavailable to the coaches prior to the presence of full pads. This made for a very intense practice full of hits. It also made for the first look at the offense under the duress of a full steam ahead defense. As a result of my observations, I'm here to warn you: our offense is going to be ridiculously primitive and simple. There are a number of reasons (of which I'll try to lay out), but we just don't have the talent, especially at the quarterback position, to be a juggernaut unless we are phenomenal running the ball.

Let's break it down:  

First, it's important to state that I don't think any of the three quarterbacks will be able to complete more than 55% of their passes this year. With such a low precentage, that means it is critical to 1) take advantage of the completed passes and 2) not to throw the incomplete passes to the other team. 

Barry Brunetti is clearly in charge when he is under center.  He has control of the situation, he sees the defense, and he knows what position to place the offense in. Unfortunately, he can't throw the damn ball. If it's a quick dump to the running back, he either throws it over the running back's head or down at the knees where the back's momentum is stopped and there's an immediate tackle. If it's a short curl route or a drag to the tight end, the ball is either just behind the receiver or at the feet so that a run after the catch is almost impossible. It's tough to watch because you see good decisions and yet the results are minimal at best.

Zack Stoudt came out with confidence today. I saw him take some snaps and sling the ball around the field like he knew what he was doing. At times he would hit the tight end in stride. He threw a beautiful fade to Vincent Sanders for a deep completion. Even more impressive was his back end zone touchdown to Nick Brassell with the second team during the scrimmage. Unfortunately, there was also the play during skeletons where he rolled out right and threw over the middle...to Frank Crawford's chest . You know you've thrown a bad ball when Frank Crawford not only gets to it, but CATCHES THE INTERCEPTION! It wasn't the only interception Stoudt threw on the day.

Then there's the enigmatic Randall Mackey.  When it comes to simply throwing the ball, well, he's the best. If we need a ball dumped to a running back, a curl route to Ja-Mes, or whatever, he seems the most likely option to complete the pass. Unfortunately, when we get to the scrimmages he changes character. There are less completions, more dump offs, and a great deal less confidence at the huddle. While Brunetti and Stoudt are constantly changing the plays at the line of scrimmage, that almost never occurs with Mackey.  

Early on in practice there was a focus on field goals and field goal defense. I don't know whether he was supposed to fake block or try his best, but Charles Sawyer was diving in front of the kicker on three consecutive attempts. At least one of those three attempts ended up wide, though I couldn't tell if Charles got a piece of them or not.

During hitting drills, Uriah Grant had to leave the field for a bit because of a bloody nose. He returned pretty swiftly without much commotion. Brishen Matthews left the field with apparent cramps in his hamstrings, though he participated fully in the second half of practice.

There was a big focus throughout the practice on the hurry-up offense. Each quarterback was given some reps, often with or without a defense. At one point there was a nifty play design where Enrique Davis was lined up next to the quarterback in the shotgun. On the snap, the quarterback faked an immediate toss out left to Davis while the slot receiver (Philander Moore in this instance) came inside for an end around.  It was quite effective at shifting the defense in one direction and getting the ball going the other.

Forget everything I said yesterday about Justin Bell. Yesterday, I claimed he would never play tackle and would only be a guard for us. Today, of course, he lined up almost exclusively as the third team left tackle.  Apparently the coaches see something I do not see.

Today was not a good day for the offensive line. While matching up in 2v1 matchups against the defensive line (2 offensive linemen versus 1 defensive), a number of our heralded guards had their rear ends exposed. The biggest disappointment was Patrick Junen who, at least temporarily, was replaced by Tank Washington in the front line. Do not be surprised to see true freshman Aaron Morris get snaps this year at guard. He has a fight in him and adequate size that could allow him to overtake both Junen and Jared Duke if necessary. Junen showed poor leverage and an unwillingness to fight on during drills today. Furthermore, Matt Hall's hight seems to be a hindrance at times with his leverage, though his size will likely maintain his starting spot.  

On the other hand, during these same drills the defensive line showed a great deal of fight and spark. I was particularly impressed with Carton Martin, Corey Gaines, Carlos Thompson, Uriah Grant, and Woodrow Hamilton (gonna be a stud one day). Also of note was Kentrell Lockett's lack of hesitation to dig in on that injured knee and fight two starting offensive linemen. Needless to say,  Mike Markuson was not too happy throughout this drill. Later during the scrimmage, the offensive line had a busted play, to which Markuson ran up to the O-Line and screamed "We feel so damn sorry for ourselves!" before encouraging them to stop whining.

The receivers showed a bit of feistiness in their blocking drills, which I got to observe up close. Part of me feels bad for Melvin Harris with blocking, because his extreme lankiness doesn't benefit his blocking. It almost always looks like he's holding the defensive back because his elbows are everywhere. Then again, he probably shouldn't choose to go against Korvic Neat every time (at one comedic moment Gunter Brewer told the receivers to match up with someone their size, to which Neat immediately yelled for Melvin to get his ass over there). The freshmen's enthusiasm with blocking was refreshing. Most impressive was a moment when Collins Moore went to "shed a block" from Matt Tarpley (short, white, walk-on wide receiver - you know the type) and decided instead to simply run over the guy. Moore's strength was evident and the blow was crushing. If these freshmen can get ready mentally, they'll be on the field this year. Whether that's a compliment (it is) towards them or an indictment towards our veterans (it is as well) is up for you to decide.

I watched CJ Johnson for just a bit today, and I want to temper everyone's enthusiasm. The kid will be really good, but probably not immediately. He overruns the ball carrier at times. Sometimes he hesitates with reading the play.  The good news is that when he gets his hand on the ball carrier, they aren't getting away. He can tackle like crazy. But it will take some time to make sure he's in a position to make those tackles.

Senquez Golson might be able to help us immediately. He has as much, if not more, athleticism as Tony Grimes who played for us last year. He also seems to have better instincts. He came on a blitz today and was able to leap and block the pass from the quarterback during the scrimmage. While I haven't always noticed him, whenever I do it's because of an incomplete pass thrown in his direction. I could see him turning into a shutdown corner over the course of a year or two.

The most important thing to understand after today is that the defense is still way ahead of the offense. First, the defense should be ahead, as it's still early in camp. If our defense were losing the battle, we'd almost assuredly have a bad defense again this year. I like the intensity our defense brings, starting with the defensive line and stretching back all the way to the sideline cheers throughout the practices. Corey Gaines and others stayed in the backfield today, disrupting and deflecting passes over and over. I think part of this is a lack of fulfillment from our Offensive Line, but also from a determination of the defense to improve.

More importantly, I want you all to know that you must be patient with our offense. I have no clue what it will look like on September 3, but it won't be a world-beating offense that runs up the score on everyone. We are going to struggle at throwing the ball down the field. None of our quarterbacks are super accurate and Mackey, the most accurate, struggles with decision making and finding receivers who want to help him by catching the damn ball. I am hoping that Stoudt is getting more comfortable, because he definitely looks more confident, though who knows if that is the case. Brunetti won't lose any games for us, but to be honest, I can't say whether or not he can win any either. If we can manage to run the ball 30-40 times a game and be effective, then we may be a damn good team. If not, then it could be a long year. I hope I am wrong, but I only know how to be honest.  Lots of two tight end sets and perhaps a bit of wild rebel  will hopefully sure up what looks to be a very questionable and unsure offensive capability.

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Regarding the Wild Rebel.....

I see literally no benefit of moving a running QB outside and bringing in a player who can’t throw the ball very well. If we play Stoudt, then I can see us running the WR.

by pankReb on Aug 11, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks a lot, Debbie Downer.

I want to hear how great we look. I’m talking about 100% sunshine! If I wanted an honest assessment, I’d go to the Clarion Ledger! (Damn you Kellenberger!)

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by Han SOLO Cup on Aug 11, 2011 9:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wow.

Give up now eh? Really sheared some wool there.

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by ARebel21 on Aug 11, 2011 10:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I for one,

wouldn’t mind us running the wishbone. 3 yards and a cloud of dust ought to do us just fine.

"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd

by Mexter Dccluster on Aug 11, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Or better yet, how about the read-option?

We have two QBs who are built for that type of offense. Can we not have another “Brent Schaeffer will do just fine as a drop-back passer” episode?

by RightRev on Aug 11, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Square peg,

meet round hole.

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by Han SOLO Cup on Aug 11, 2011 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I meant

Schaeffer and the pro-style offense. Sorry for the confusion.

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by Han SOLO Cup on Aug 11, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was being a bit facetious about the wishbone thing,

but overall I agree that we should run a good bit of read-option. However, I have my doubts about how well it can be run successfully as a base offense in the SEC (Cam Newton notwithstanding).

I think it is a strong offensive weapon if there is a quarterback who makes great decisions and can throw the ball downfield to keep the defense honest, but against the speed of defensive lines such as LSU and Alabama, I think the read would have a tough time. It’s just so dependent on the QB making the right move off the defensive end, that if the DE is fast enough, he can disrupt the plays, and a disrupted read-option ends in either a loss of yards or a fumble. I wouldn’t mind us operating out of the shotgun for the most part, but I think with our strength being in BB and the O-Line, we can expect to see plenty of 2 tight or I-formations this year. But then again, I thought we’d start last season 1-0, so wtf do I know?

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by Mexter Dccluster on Aug 11, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

No I want to see the Notre Dame Box

My freshman year of high school we played a team in the playoffs who ran that offense. Craziest thing I have ever seen but it worked.

by NOPD1024 on Aug 11, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you talking about the

Power T? Where they’d just have two tight-ends and three halfbacks with Jerome Bettis in the middle? Favorite formation ever.

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by Mexter Dccluster on Aug 11, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Notre Dame Box

was a two tight-end formation with 4 halfbacks lined up in the back field and the center would direct snap to any of the 4. There is a wikipedia article about it check it out.

by NOPD1024 on Aug 11, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

I would love if our base offense just didn’t have any wideouts. Paul Johnson would lose his shit.

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by Mexter Dccluster on Aug 11, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

About those 2-on-1 drills...

were the two offensive linemen working on pass blocking, run blocking, or a little of both?

(And thanks for the reports).

by DTMB on Aug 11, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess there are two ways to look at that:

1) The positive spin is that the D line will keep some linemen off of our linebackers.

2) The negative spin is…scratch that. Maybe we should just focus on positive viewpoints for now.

by DTMB on Aug 11, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Officially concerned

Great update, and yeah, I got the memo on defense “usually” ahead. However, the strength of our team, the Oline, is getting abused by our weakness “the front 7”. The fact that we have no discernible offensive system troubles me. Without any qb development, we will truly be one dimensional.

by Evilreb on Aug 11, 2011 11:29 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

For your sanity, I'll admit I was in a unusually cynical mood yesterday.

Still doesn’t change the fact that every day I leave practice wondering “are any of these quarterbacks really going to improve enough to move the ball down the field?”.

The athleticism on defense is clearly improved. The defensive backs are competing much better. Still, your freshmen wide receivers shouldn’t be consistently the biggest playmakers.

by EtOHReb on Aug 11, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

i just wish we had a frieking pro style qb thats worth a damn and ready to go right now..

..not a fan of all of this option read/wild bear georgia tech shit. unless you have tim tebow or cam newton you need a damn pro-style qb to be super successful IMO. i have been praying that stoudt would pick it up and become our starter. we need Eli back

by RebelBlackBear on Aug 11, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

A Pro Style QB doesn't do any good if the WR's aren't any good

A mobile QB gives us our best chance right now. Once our Freshmen WR’s develope then a Pro Style will be useful. I will say this a mobile QB running all that shit you don’t like is why we scored 30 points a game last year. A Pro Style QB would have been killed last year behind our line. Welcome to the modern age of football try and enjoy it.

by NOPD1024 on Aug 11, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with old school

Technically, offenses based on the different option packages are the original old school. I get what you’re saying, though. I would love to see a 6’5 qb stand back in the pocket and throw darts accurately. As long as he has good field vision and he is mobile enough to avoid a rush or, if necessary, tuck and run for a few yards, that’s good enough for me. I just don’t think we have the right personnel for a pro-style offense. From what I know, very few college teams do.

by DTMB on Aug 11, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throwing accurately is just one piece....

…..albeit an important piece. Still the QB often gets blamed too much for failures in the passing game and also gets too much glory at times. It takes two to connect and the receiver has to be in exactly the right spot to make a reception.

Route running with precision is every bit as important as throwing with precision. It is far more difficult than fans realize. QB’s sometimes make it look so easy when you see a 60 yard pass completion made on a sprint from the pocket, but the fact is, those are very rare, even for the best QB’s to ever play the game.

Hitting a moving target is actually pretty tough and the moving target has to be fast enough and smart enough to make the right cuts, jule the cover and get to the exact spot where the receiver is.

I was reading the description of one of BYU’s plays in their scrimmage today where their qb threw a 27 yd TD pass. He threw towards a spot in the corner of the end zone before the receiver had even gone to the cut spot and made his plant and kick to the left. Receiver and ball arrived at exactly the right moment…which with them is like doing arithmetic tables in the 4th grade…over and over and over. I didn’t see it, just read about it…but the way it was describes it seemed like fine art. Those guys really throw and catch well.

by Whitney64 on Aug 12, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's right.

My post about QBs in a pro-style offense wasn’t intended to be exclusive about the importance of any other positions on offense. NOPD1024 touched on how important WR play is when it comes to a pro-style offense.

The timing routes you mention are drilled and drilled and drilled to a point that they should be automatic. The people involved with the drill you read about have likely been working them in one form or another for five to ten years by the time they ran them at BYU. I remember my dad explaining the concepts to me when I was eight years old. Naturally, he wasn’t the one running the routes. Fatherly privilege dictates that kids run routes and dads get to stand around and throw footballs at their children. (See also: the first rule of plumbing). The timing and accuracy in running routes are fundamental aspects of those plays. They won’t work unless they are executed as close to perfect as possible.

by DTMB on Aug 12, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I was just thinking the other day…“Where is our QB of the future?” When did Ole Miss become a dumping ground for transfer QBs, JUCO QBs, and other miscellaneous projects. I see other SEC schools developing talent, but our cupboard seems dry when it comes to the signal callers. I don’t keep up with Mississippi high school recruiting (or any other state for that matter), but I know there has to be some QBs with talent in our fair state. So, what gives?
Is it
a.) Houston’s systems don’t lend themselves to Pro-Style QBs
b.) Houston is afraid to have a kid who is smarter than him
c.) just a flukey thing that started when Jevan fell into our lap?

Those are the possibilities that I came up with. Thoughts, anyone?

by Two Stick on Aug 11, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well here is my take

As to address the MS HS QB question. The last MS signed QB for OM to perform was Miller. Spurlock could have been good in the right offense but he was not a pro style QB. The last MS QB to have sucess anywhere was Jason Campbell at AU. This state doesn’t put out talented QB’s very often. OM does have a Pro Style QB committed but he is from Tenn. I think it started with Coach O NO when he brought in Shafer and then Snead. Stanley and Cotton were signed out of hs but didn’t work out and so Nutt has been struggling to find a long term QB hence the transfers. I think that will be addresses this year and next year in recruiting.

by NOPD1024 on Aug 11, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other SEC schools have these problems too, y'know.

It’s not as if Bama and LSU beat ass because of quarterback play. Not to knock on McElroy, who was a winner, but Bama didn’t win because of him. LSU hasn’t had a quarterback worth a shit since like 2005. Tennessee? Auburn (Cam Newton, yes, but he was a Juco transfer, something which you knocked on)? Kentucky? State?

Yes, we’ve been an abysmal pit of quarterbacking for damned near seven years now, but it’s not as if the rest of the SEC is some great conference of stable quarterbacking.

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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 11, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Where is our QB of the future?"

As long as the Mannings keep having the girlies, the future gets longer and longer.

by rpmjr on Aug 11, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paging Jeremy Liggins

Please answer the white courtesy phone.

by FireBoone on Aug 11, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope

I have seen where he has been a several practices so maybe we can sign him.

by NOPD1024 on Aug 11, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does the offensive system look any different than last years?

I honestly don’t know how much more simplistic this offense can be compared to 2010.

by DMagic on Aug 11, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Much fewer direct snaps to RBs(so far). Much less read option. Looks more like a pro form drop back offense.

I think you should probably look to that Ark. offense with McFadden/jones, but take out the heavy WildHog influence. We will see how much they may be hiding for closed practices, though.

by EtOHReb on Aug 11, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nutt said something the other day that caught my attention

During the media day someone asked him about the 4-2-5 defense and his reply was something like, I am glad to hold open practices but there are somethings we don’t want to get out. He sounded irritated like he didn’t want people to say anything about the 4-2-5. I think once the closed practices start they will be working on the offense that will be ran this year. I think this week has been a lets get back into the swing of things but not give anything away type practices.

by NOPD1024 on Aug 11, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is more to this than just that statement. I've observed the staff being particularly military with fans watching practice.

Especially with cell phones and other devices that could be construed as useful for ‘leaking’ information.

by EtOHReb on Aug 11, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I consider that a good thing

We need all the advantage we can get.

by NOPD1024 on Aug 11, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand where you're coming from, but I consider it paranoia.

They sure as hell weren’t freaking out last year after we came off a winning season. To me it reeks of insecurity. Either way, just win and it won’t matter.

by EtOHReb on Aug 11, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the 4-2-5 is a good idea....

especially with the personnel packages available. It plays better to the strengths of the people w/experience and the first opponent.

by Whitney64 on Aug 12, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember the early form of last year's offense was much the same.

IIRC when there was still a QB “battle” between Stanley and Masoli, we ran a much more straight drop back style offense. If/when a QB emerges I hope that a similiar shift in philosphy will happen like when Masoli was officially named the starter.

by DMagic on Aug 11, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

On your assessment....

1) All Rebel QB’s since Eli have averaged around 55% so, no real change projected then.

2) How much failure in the passing game is due to the QB’s failure to deliver the ball? It’s a hard legitimate question because realistically, the QB spot is among the most difficult delivery tasks in any sport. Try this! Imagine a basketball standard 94 feet away (opposite baseline) and you need to make baskets from there regularly. No imagine that it is placed in motion at sprinter’s speed and you need to sink the hoop consistently. See a 90 foot (i.e. 30 yard) completion has to hit a receiver running at full speed in a catch basket that is honestly about the same general size as 1-1/2 hoops. It really is that difficult.

3) Few QB’s ever master #2 above because it’s really difficult, but suppose a QB does. That is if the receiver is smart and runs highly precise routes. The route running is the second part of the 70% completion equation plateau. Lazy receivers make for bad QB’s.
 
4) Pass catchers have velcro-hands. Get the ball in their neighborhood and they haul it in contested or not.

5) Good footwork and mechanics keep you in the right place to throw the ball to the right spot every time. Throw flat footed, off the heel, scared and you toss pics, simple as that.

When you lack any of the above skill sets within your game, you are NOT going to be successful using the forward pass as a serious weapon or win many games. When you do those five things really well you win a LOT of games…over 4 decades, since the mid 60’s with a string of great quarterbacks. Crap, I know there is some team on the Ole Miss Schedule that is really good at those five things….Oh yeah, Louisiana Tech ;)
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by Whitney64 on Aug 11, 2011 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Shaefereran tragedy has

entered Red Cup’s lexicon immediately.

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by Mexter Dccluster on Aug 12, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Item 5 included two aspects of the equation...

Footwork, which is one key aspect of throwing accurately.

The secons is throwing mechanics. After writing that I realized some might question the 4 or 5 items and rightly so, as I didn’t make it very clear. Anyway, good arm and throwing from the upper body can be wasted if the player has ineffeciant foundation work. Both are critical.

by Whitney64 on Aug 12, 2011 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotcha

Maybe we could include proper footwork under the broad principle of correct throwing mechanics.

by DTMB on Aug 13, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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