How Negatively Will the SEC's New Rules Impact Ole Miss, or "Does Mike Slive Hate Houston Nutt?"
The answer to the latter is "yeah, probably." The former, though, let's take a look.
At first glance, the SEC's new recruiting regulations, which were voted on and passed earlier this week, seem to be very reactionary. While that's pretty typical of rulemaking in multibillion dollar industries, these rules seem to be - or, rather, are - very directly the result of things which have taken place more specifically under our Houston Nutt administration.
The first rule aims to curb the controversial practice of oversigning, something the Rebels have caught flak over since Houston Nutt's 38-member 2008 class. Schools will now be limited to 25 signees, and that's it. No more of the "sign 28 but only give scholarships to 25" deal which we've grown accustomed to. That means that grayshirting, amongst other practices, will likely no longer occur.
I Google Chatted (which is AIM for grownups) with Juco earlier today to ask for his ad hoc analysis of the rule. His points were brief, but I think they were good ones. Bulleted, with some annotation, they are as follows:
- This certainly does not benefit Ole Miss whatsoever. For the past several seasons, we've needed the promise of scholarships, playing time, and other opportunities to attract either the recruiting contingency plans of the Alabamas and Floridas of the conference, or to give us leverage with academic risks. We're going to have to completely reevaluate our recruiting strategy.
- This does benefit programs like Florida, who can sign all of the high-rated prospects they'd like, and hardly worry with academic casualties come signing day. They can continue to be choosy, whereas the paupers of the conference will have to both beg and choose.
- One should also think about the Senquez Golsons out there. This could drastically harm the chances of any baseball player who is considering holding off on the pros while he plays football in college because those players won't get SEC offers anymore if there's no room. This may sound silly, but it's an occurence that is more common than people may realize.
- Houston Nutt's farm system, b.k.a. the Mississippi junior college system, won't nearly be as beneficial as it has been. The notion of "signing and placing" is all but dead because of these rules. I do realize that we still get most of our athletes out of high school, and many of the juco guys we've "placed" haven't signed later - but on the other side of that coin there's Randall Mackey, our likely starting quarterback this fall, who signed with Ole Miss out of high school before being placed at East Mississippi Community College.
- Finally, there's the blatantly dickish removal of the graduate-student exception that allows players who have earned degrees to transferto an SEC and use any remaining eligibility immediately. We can call that one the Jeremiah Masoli rule. Yeah Mike, way to clamp the fuck down on a 4-8 football program. The only negative impact of the Masoli "scandal" was negative press which, if you live in the Deep South, is something you're fucking used to by now.
So, readers, your thoughts? How do you feel about oversigning (I feel like we've discussed this, oh, a dozen times or so)? The new rules? Jeremiah Masoli? The Bear?
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were FUCKED. this is horse shit. i cant believe i hadnt heard any news on this before now. rich will stay rich i suppose. great way to keep the fla, al, lsu’s at the top and ass rape the little guys like us. might be time to get out of here while the gettin’s good
I don't see
why the presidents voted 12-0 against the 28 signees rule. Surely, they know that not everybody who signs up won’t make it to campus. I hope this is readdressed next year.
However...
since they did vote 12-0 that means that Houston also was in favor of the change and hopefully has a plan.
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No, that would have been Chancellor Jones.
The coaches unanimously voted against the 25 signee limit.
I believe you mean
Chancellor Palpatine
by Mexter Dccluster on Jun 9, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, the coaches voted to keep it at 28/keep the policy as is. Then the presidents or whoever it was, came in and voted to lower it.
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by ThemRebsIsHellDontThey on Jun 9, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions
I don't see how he could have done any differently.
Once it becomes clear that the oversigning ban was going to happen, you don’t want to be the university which voted against the ban. He did what he had to. Shit, he might have done what he felt was the right thing to do. I could see it either way.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 10, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree Ghost
I am not surprised that the University presidents would vote for a measure that (in theory) rewards athletes who excell(ish) academically and puts pressure on the rest to improve.
by WrigleyvilleReb on Jun 10, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This does benefit programs like Florida, who can sign all of the high-rated prospects they’d like, and hardly worry with academic casualties come signing day.
It happens once in a while when someone doesn’t qualify.
FWIW, I didn’t have a problem with any of the things that the Presidents/Slive got rid of and/or changed.
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It happens once in a while for you
It happens all the damn time to us.
That’s the point. It doesn’t effect you, it severely effects us and our recruiting strategies. Y’all don’t worry with academic casualties b/c you don’t have to recruit borderline guys. In order to keep up with the Jones’, Ole Miss has to recruit borderline players that FL passes over b/c they are academic casualties.
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by ColRebsLastBreath on Jun 9, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh. I see. So do y’all have any idea about what the strategy will be now? Or is it just a bunch of guessing on all sides?
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Yeah, we have to take shittier players that aren't academic risks
or we run the risk on being able to field a full roster. We can no longer oversign in order to take chances on players.
That’s the point you are missing. The change in the rules doesn’t effect FL at all. That’s why you wouldn’t have a problem with the rules. Ole Miss oversigns on academic risks in order to be able to compete with FL. Ole Miss can’t do that anymore, which in turn causes our talent on the field to diminish.
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by ColRebsLastBreath on Jun 9, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I never had an issue with oversigning (unless we are talking signings in the 30’s) to begin with. It was just one of those things. Grey-shirting is the same. Doesn’t bother me.
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by Geaux To Hell LSU on Jun 9, 2011 9:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My future perception
Is that this will completely stimulate the economy of paying players behind the scenes. It has already been building, and I believe this makes it nearly a necessity. On a positive note, hopefully this encourages high school kids to realize that they will be much less likely to be recruited if they are borderline academics, thus potentially stimulating these kids to actually make something a little more out of their free public education, even if ulterior motives are at play.
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It won't change a thing.
Highly talented kids who didn’t have grades previously would have been signed and placed. Now they won’t get offers from anyone (excpetjust go directly to CC and go through recruitment again the following year once they’ve gotten right in the classroom.
The only difference is that they won’t be committed to a DI school first. I think…
You might be right
Playing off this line of thinking, the SEC just screwed themselves. I’m sure some good borderline talent will end up going to other conferences. Not saying everyone, but inevitably this will happen to some. Thus, this will potentially help to strengthen other schools. I adhere to Bear Bryant’s old mentality: no sharing; hoard all the talent to yourself
Ole Miss sports tend to bring out the Mr. Hyde in us all from time to time
I agree that this hurts the SEC as a whole
Now every SEC school runs the risk of either:
A. not taking a chance and missing out on kids that are talented but borderline academically, or
B. taking a chance on these kids and not filling a full signing class because they cannot qualify.
This rule hurts SEC schools like Ole Miss more than your Florida’s of the SEC, but we all have a disadvantage to the other conferences now.
by JohnnyRebellion on Jun 10, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way this hurts the SEC as whole...
Is if the NCAA doesn’t adopt this policy. Slive’s trying to make that push. I think it has a good chance to pass, as well.
If these regulations get extended to the entire NCAA, this is one thing that will really set us apart (and maybe even ahead) of the Big 10 with regards to the oversigning debate. They were content to self-impose regulations to their own teams, with the express intent of using those regulations as a red herring argument as to why the Big 10 was “better” and more “moral” than other conferences. It really should have set off some flags when they implemented their oversigning rules, but weren’t interested in trying to establish the same rules at the NCAA level.
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by IamMSlegend on Jun 10, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I really don't understand why you'd have a limit and then not actually keep teams to that limit.
At least now they’re actually following their own limits.
Let’s be honest, Ole Miss wasn’t winning anything before this was changed, so what are they really losing out on here?
All that being said, I never understood why everyone almost universally focused on Houston Nutt oversigning when it was a fairly common practice among coaches, especially in the SEC.
Ole Miss: #1 in partying, mediocre in athletics and academics since 1848.
38
signees in a class is fucking absurd, and I’m constantly trying to defend HDN.
Also, to the red cup blogguers, can we get some sort of attrition-study over the last 3 recruiting classes?
by Mexter Dccluster on Jun 11, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I think WR's point is that HDN became the poster boy for that shit because of one class of 38, but oversigning is
common practice by 80% of all DI coaches because of talented kids who don’t have grades. The media picked out HDN because of the class of 38 and hung the banner. WAOM.
Personally, I don’t think there should be any limit what so ever in recruiting. You wanna sign 50 kids? Fine, then you’ll deal with the inevitable consequences when you have to kick half of them because you don’t have schollies for all of them. Kids talk, and if you (HC’s) continue to do that crap, talented kids who actually HAVE a choice on where to go won’t be choosing that coach’s school because of what the coach did to his buddy. Let the fucking market level itself. Coaches who constantly cut extras loose, won’t be able to recruit top talent for long. It also teaches recruits to learn more about the schools courting them.
Attrition study?
If I can find time I’ll go for it.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 11, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions

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