Ole Miss Basketball: What Could Have Been And A Brief Look at the State of the Program
Nearly a week removed from Ole Miss' first round loss in the NIT and things are less emotional. Collectively we've accepted our fate as a meddling, average SEC program, and personally I've had time to clear my head and think about the team as a whole and its head coach. This year obviously didn't go as we had hoped, with an SEC West title nearly a foregone conclusion at the season's onset and a constant feeling that this year, like the three prior, would be the yeras needed to get over a metaphorical hump which separates those in the dance and those in the NIT. We're' frustrated, and I'm sure that Andy Kennedy is as, if not more frustrated with the outcome than any of us.
A few weeks ago, I helped pen an article about how Andy Kennedy deserved to be fired barring an improbible turnaround which would have led to an NCAA tournament berth. At the time, I simply looked at the fact that, in a down era for the SEC West with a decently talented roster, Kennedy couldn't get us to the big dance. That's still a major concern, but I'd like to take step back in scope some to understand some of what's wrong with our program in general because, to be fair, Andy Kennedy is not the reason that we can count our tournament appearances on one hand (assuming you were born with six fingers on one hand). There's more to the Ole Miss Rebel basketball conundrum.
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First, let's take a look at this past season. Kennedy fielded a line-up that wasn't very deep, and even some starters struggled. We were talented but, as we saw, not nearly as talented as we should have been.
Plenty of people harp on the players who have transferred out of our program - namely Eniel Polynice, Malcolm White, and Murphy Holloway - and Terrico White's decision to go pro as severe detriments to this past season's potential, and I agree with that. In fact, I don't think this can be overstated. Let's take a look at the probable two-deep had everyone Kennedy recruited remained on the team through this season.
| First String | Second String | |
| PG: | Chris Warren | Dundrecous Nelson |
| SG: | Terrico White | Nick Williams |
| SF: | Zach Graham | Eniel Polynice |
| PF: | Murphy Holloway | Terrance Henry |
| C: | Reggie Buckner | Malcolm White |
That's a solid starting five with a second line that would be very effective. That team right there easily wins the SEC West and competes for the overall SEC title. Think Alabama this season. This team likely wouldn't have suffered losses to the Rebels' most significant out of conference foes in Colorado State, Miami, and Dayton.
Regarding individual players and what they've done since leaving Ole Miss, Eniel Polynice averaged four points and three assists off of the bench for Seton Hall, Malcolm White averaged just over five rebounds and just under eight points a game for LSU, while Murphy Holloway sat out at South Carolina per NCAA transfer rules (his ten points and eight rebounds per game at Ole Miss though would have been crucial during this past season). And, of course, Terrico White's 15 points per game as a sophomore would have translated into rougly the same with a bit of wiggle room for his Junior season, had he decided against going pro after this past season.
Instead, because of these losses, our two deep looked something like this.
| First String | Second String | |
| PG: | Chris Warren | Dundrecous Nelson |
| SG: | Nick Williams | Trevor Gaskins |
| SF: | Zach Graham | um.... Donald Williams? |
| PF: | Terrance Henry | Steadman Short |
| C: | Reggie Buckner | Demarco Cox |
You can obviously see the difference that Terrico White going pro with Murphy Holloway and Malcolm White transferring to other SEC schools had upon our team. So here's my point in all this. Kennedy gets some talent to Ole Miss. I think that arguing against that would be silly. His weakness, obviously, is in teaching fundamentals and drawing up successful plays. We have to realize that will continue to be his weakness. He's not going to all of a sudden become an elite head coach. His strength is in bringing in talent who can win without being coached up too much.
That's where the Ole Miss problems arise. We're not a school to which elite basketball athletes can be easily recruited. Basketball, the "city sport," doesn't really fit Oxford, MS. Oxford isn't glamorous, doesn't have a large black population, and is a sleepy, small, Southern college town. That's not how and where ultra-talented kids from inner-city Memphis, New Orleans, and Atlanta are hoping to spend their college years. That's nothing we can really change.
We also have no basketball history. I mentioned before that we've only been to the tournament six times in our program's existence. In those six tournament trips, we're 2-6. That's not very good. Because of this, our tradition doesn't sell itself.
This brings us to the last major sticking point for recruits: facilities. While we have a great newly-constructed indoor practice facility for basketball, our arena is horrible. This is something we can control, and the administration is apparently doing something about it as I type this. They're visiting the FedEx forum to figure out the best way that a new facility can be worked into the budget and include all the necessary amenities.
We really hate to so briefly and dismissively defend the coaching of Andy Kennedy. Certainly, from a practices, play calling, and development standpoint, he leaves much to be desired. But our program itself isn't doing any favors to anyone.
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Terrico and Murph hurt. Especially this year.
As another poster pointed out in a baseball thread, “We just cain’t haaave niiice thangs!!!”
by OxpatchReb on Mar 22, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I, unfortunately, have to agree
with your overall assessment. I think you were a little too dismissive with the player turnover within the program though. Some of this is AK’s doing, and I would imagine that we will see more players leave this offseason.
Overall, you are right. The Ole Miss coaching job is not an easy one, and AK has done a good job of bringing in talent. At this point, he is what he is, and no amount of hoping or wishing will improve his coaching performance. I think that is what frustrates me so much though- it ain’t like coaching is rocket science. The aspects of coaching that I think make it so difficult- scheduling games, handling egos, attitudes, etc., and maintaining the team’s focus- are things AK does a good job with. The stuff that should be relatively simple- game planning, strategy, etc., are things he sucks at and can’t seem to improve. Maybe it is just a personal thing with me, but I hate to see people who refuse to make corrections that would help them be more successful in life, job, etc.
by bball1984 on Mar 22, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
At least 2 (beyond Warren and Graham) will have to leave to make room for the signing class
need 4 schollies, only have 2 available.
Just another "good for nothing law school grad".
by RebelBarrister on Mar 23, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
All very true.
I would say we are one of the worst basketball programs in the BCS. You touched on two of my criteria for saying so, tradition and facilities, but I think another important one is professional prospects. Until Terrico, we didn’t even have a player in the NBA for 5 or so years. I guess the last one to get drafted was Justin Reed, but I could be wrong. That can’t look good to recruits, especially in today’s world of one-and-dones. There are no famous alums. Shit, even Auburn has Charles Barkley and LSU has Shaq. I guess that kind of falls under tradition, but I don’t think it can be understated.
by somewhere_over_dwaynebowe on Mar 22, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
Arguably the best Ole Miss basketball player in Ole Miss history is best known for being Leigh Anne's husband in The Blind Side.
That says a lot about the history of Ole Miss basketball in my opinion.
Ole Miss- Committed to being the best in partying and mediocre in sports and academics since 1848.
by Wild Rebel on Mar 22, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GIT BRUCE PUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLL!
by 7thYearJunior on Mar 22, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
um... no
I listen for the voice inside my head... nothin... I'll do this one myself
by buster_bluth on Mar 22, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I assumed so, but...
… with the number of people who clamored for Rick Neuheisal to be hired to replace Cutcliffe and then EOr, you never can tell.
I listen for the voice inside my head... nothin... I'll do this one myself
by buster_bluth on Mar 22, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m a stickler for grammar so anytime I use the word “git” don’t take it seriously. No part of me wants to buy out Andy’s contract for someone else considering that it would be hard to find anyone to come here even with Andy’s small coaching ability.
by 7thYearJunior on Mar 23, 2011 7:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Everybody knows it's not the SIZE of your coaching ability, it's how you use it that counts. Right?
Isn’t that right? I mean, I’m sure I’ve heard that…. before. Don’t, don’t they say that? Girls I mean, don’t they say…
FINE, ALRIGHT, I HAVE A SMALL COACHING ABILITY, YOU HAPPY NOW? I ADMITTED IT, OKAY? WHO WANTS TO MAKE FUN OF IT? ANYONE? BECAUSE I JUST DON’T CARE!!!!!!!!
/ak’d
by OxpatchReb on Mar 23, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Firing Kennedy is not the answer... for now
I too have gone back and forth on this. There’s no denying the amount of talent that AK has brought into Oxford in his tenure, particularly when he has NOTHING to recruit to. But that talent has not equated into anything but shared division titles and NIT Final 4 appearances. I don’t think that Kennedy should be fired, but there had damn well better be some staff changes.
I’d love to see him go hire Dino Gaudio from ESPN as an assistant coach. He had a nice run at Wake Forest after Prosser died, but WFU fired him last April. Michael White, Torrey Ward, and Owen Miller have all proven to be effective recruiters, but the lack of fundamentals, particularly with our big men, is mind-boggling. I don’t think Terrance or Reggie hit a bank shot from outside of layup range this season.
It’s been harped on repeatedly, but AK needs a bench coach. Hiring an established DII head coach as an assistant would be a nice start. Just bring in someone who can help AK design a defense that will actually defend and a consistent zone breaking offense.
Despite the losses of Graham and Warren, I think the team could potentially be better. I think the offense will flow more smoothly and the front line of the defensive set will be stronger without Chris out there. If Jelan Kendrick can produce as advertised, who knows?
I listen for the voice inside my head... nothin... I'll do this one myself
I laughed.
They’re visiting the FedEx forum to figure out the best way that a new facility can be worked into the budget…
FedExForum is magnificent. Worked into a budget, it was not.
Audemus jura nostra defendere
Every day we make it, we'll make it the best we can.
"...the best way that a new facility can be worked into the budget and include all the necessary amenities."
Fitting a new facility into Pete Boone’s budget is like trying to fit Terrell Brown into Jeff Scott’s jersey.
That was a called play, and I called it Brotha!!! HYYAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
by Catfish Powe-boy on Mar 22, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions
As a nuetral party
I don’t see much difference in Ole Miss/Oxford and MSU/Starkeville.
Somehow they have been able to attract some guys there and they have done, most of the time, fairly decent.
And to that end I would say over the last several years, not counting this year, MSU’s coach has been better than your coach. So, maybe it is the coach.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Somehow I doubt you are a "neutral"
party, but I will bite and respond. I think you misunderstood- people aren’t arguing about the difference between Ole Miss/Oxford and State/Starkville, they are arguing about facilities/tradition. State has much better facilities (Humphrey Coliseum>>> Tad Smith) and a better tradition (they have been to a Final Four).
Overall, I agree with the premise of your post. I think OM’s biggest problem over the past couple seasons has been coaching, rather than a dearth of talent. It pains me to write this next statement, because I don’t think much of Rick Stansbury as a coach, but Stans has been a better coach than AK recently.
by bball1984 on Mar 22, 2011 5:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well I'm nuetral because
I’m an Alabama fan. I mean I don’t hate or love either of the Miss schools. Just seems to me MSU has beat you guys and I think it is mainly coaching. And, I don’t like Stansbury one bit but he has done something.
Truth is I’d just as soon AK stay with you all because I think Grant will out coach him most of the time.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
You misspelled neutral twice. Just stop, Forrest.
by hottytoddy07 on Mar 22, 2011 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, you got me.
I gess if i had gradeated from old missisipi i wood ner mis spel a word.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Mar 22, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, you're right. How dare we presume that grammar, syntax, punctuation and orthography are central concepts of written communication.
What a bunch of nerdy, dubmass hix we is.
$50 says he’s googling orthography right now. Any takers?
I'm googling Orthography myself...
Now a bloggeur - http://www.msbeernut.com/
by Thile on Mar 23, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Careful. Do you have it set to safe search?
Dirty little orthographers….
Who is Ole Miss
“meddling” with?
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Mar 22, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
I think it's possible Kennedy could be successful,
but not here. With all the built-in disadvantages we have, we need a coach who can best target our needs. We’re never going to win on talent; we’ve got to win on fundamentals and x’s and o’s. Those are most certainly not Kennedy’s strong suits. Is it a coincidence that Kennedy’s best coaching year, I think we’d all agree, was his first? He was working with players that had already had a background in some fundamentals.
As a somewhat separate point, I think it’s a little bit of a fallacy to suggest that we underperformed during the SEC season this year because of our roster. You are absolutely correct that those departures were costly, but we knew about all that in early January when our RPI was about 150 spots higher than any other team in the West. What has been most frustrating about Kennedy over the years is his lack of consistency during SEC play. We should not have lost to State at home or at Auburn. Just like we shouldn’t have lost at home to State and Arkansas last year. The fact is that if we would’ve won the games we should’ve, particularly in 2008 and 2010, we would’ve made the tournament.
I think Kennedy is the best answer for Ole Miss
1. He has brought talent here that we’ve never had outside of the Provine Posse.
This is a pretty easy hurdle to get over, but take a look at some of Barnes last few classes – and it’s nasty. Evans had some great players, but most of them were gritty “try-hard” guys that over achieved while they were here. Kennedy has done more to bring real talent to Oxford than anyone before him.
That said, he is about as poor as anyone I’ve ever seen in getting something out of the talent. About one out of every 5 games, we come out completely flat and get killed. The other 4 games, we get a small lead or stay close by jacking 3s, then we have one possession to win or tie and we fumble the ball away and take a terrible shot. Only KY last year did that shot go in. If he stays around, he’s going to have to get a solid Xs and Os guy to teach the offense and he’s going to have to get more effort out of the team.
2. We have not committed to facilities – so it doesn’t matter who we bring in.
Take a look at our history – it doesn’t matter who the coach is; the results are the same. I think until we make a commitment to our basketball program; the best we can expect is 20 wins and NIT. Look over the history, there’s not many of those and AK has several of them.
3. If we are building a new arena, it will take at least a year.
Basically, if we’re going to get rid of AK, we might as well wait until the new stadium is under construction. The nucleus of our team is leaving – so we’re probably going to struggle next year regardless of who the coach is. We might as well save a year of the buy out and give the new guy a fresh start with a new arena after the 2011/2012 season.
4. Because of the international incident – he’s probably stuck with us too. If we do have success, expect another team to poach our coach(see ASU with Evans). With AK, we have a built in repellant due to the international incident.
We've actually won three games in the NCAA Tournament
Wiki has it wrong (shocker).
In 1999, we beat Villanova in the first round and lost to Michigan State in the second round. In 2001, we beat Iona and Notre Dame before losing to Arizona in the Sweet Sixteen.
Three wins.
Carl Lipbaum died last week in summer school from a severe anxiety attack.
What makes you think I used Wiki?
(I totally did)
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Turns out that we're not very good at football.
by Juco All-American on Mar 23, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

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