Tuesday Question: One of Ataraxia (look it up)
Generally, we are the "authors" of "content" around here - "here" being a blog and not a message board. Recognize, we do, that you've come here not to contribute, but to consume. Nevertheless, there is the sporadic occasion where, either for our benefit or for to exercise the thinkifiers of the masses, we ask you a question. Today's question is . . .
Are you comfortable waiting for the completion of a bowl game for a "B-list" hire, or would you rather go with a C or D list right now who can hit the ground running?
This question is not an indictment of any particular coaches we're pursuing. I'm not calling any candidates "D-list." It's simply a hypothetical question about what is important to our fans.
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Is it purely coincidence that
WAOM is the same as the Debbe Downer music “Waom WAOOOOOOOOM”
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by charlym on Nov 29, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
so right. so appropriate.
“yeah ole miss.. a lot to offer a coach who is looking to work in the SEC.. did you know they’ve never gone to atlanta? yeah and in the last 6 years they’ve had at least 2 seasons where they didn’t win a single conference game. Waom WAAAOOOOM.”
Ole Miss: Shooting Ourselves in the Foot Since Always
by Sideline Snead on Nov 29, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Wait for the best candidate, no matter how long it takes
It is tremendously short sited to make a coaching hire that should last for the better part of a decade based upon the first month of their career. Alabama waited for the end of the NFL season to hire Saban. I say we wait til the end of the year to hire Jim Harbaugh. I hear his heart just isn’t in the NFL…
That said, Leach is just sitting there. Pull the damn trigger.
Considering changing my name to RebelBlackBearsConception
by ColRebsLastBreath on Nov 29, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
^^THIS^^
It would be silly to in any shape, form or fashion base a hiring decision on one recruiting class. The program is truly at a crossroads and everything is riding on both the head coach and AD hires. The only option is to focus on the big picture and make the best hires possible.
I think they need to make a hire quick.
I dont agree we cannot get a B coach because Leach is still sitting there. We need to put all of the bad behind us. The best way to do it is bring in a good coach. We will quit talking about how bad we are and start looking to the future.
by Areyouready?nonotreally on Nov 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions
Seriously, are you on Leach's payroll, or what?
A Football Program is a Terrible Thing to Waste.
by sutpens100 on Nov 29, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
B List Hire
Recruits can wait to the last minute and change directions. Momentum at the end of recruiting season is what counts; not the beginning. A solid name coach is the only chance that we have in recruiting this year. I hope the next coach has name recognition, ability to revolutionize the offense, and he is tapped into the Texas or Florida recruiting pipelines. A proven HC is essential. Hoping for Briles, but Leach is growing on me everyday. Go with a B (bold) hire.
by Rumless_Reb on Nov 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Tortoise vs. Hare: Hare wins
Regardless of who we hire, we’re not going to suddenly become a winning team next season. The lack of a figurehead has been frustrating to say the least, and it would be worth our while to wait for a coach who (i) has a long-term plan for success, (ii) can effectively implement that plan, and (iii) is committed to staying in Oxford, at least until that plan is carried out. I think that there are some really good candidates out there who, for one reason or another (probably to do with current coaching obligations, whether that be at the collegiate or professional level), need a few weeks before making the jump to Oxford. While no one enjoys uncertainty (especially recruits and players), the need for a solid hire outweighs the risk of losing a handful of recruits this year. And as Rumless_Reb points out, a solid hire, even if made late, will go a long way towards recruiting.
And, if you think Leach is the best option and should be hired immediately, I’ll respectfully disagree. Honestly, I hope another school hires him soon so that I don’t have to listen to the incessant Leach-is-the-end-all-be-all ranting.
I was on the Leach train
and I still wouldn’t be upset with him, but the unrealistic support is a bit much to contend with. People have literally said that if we don’t hire Mike Leach, Archie and MGlenn will have failed. I think there’s a lot of talented coaches, some who would fit at Ole Miss and others who wouldn’t.
All that to say, I agree that we need to make the right hire before we make a quick hire.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Nov 29, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Latching onto any one candidate and declaring any other hire a failure is just silly.
Leach is my top choice, but we’re not going to really know if we made a good hire for at least a year or two. Short of us re-hiring Nutt or Orgeron, the next HC should be given the opportunity to do something before fans start jumping out of windows.
Anyone (on the interwebs) who makes a statement like "Leach or nothing" is a drooling moron or a troll.
I am a fervent Leach guy, but I recognize that I know very little about coaching searches. I also acknowledge that the guys heading that search know a shit ton about coaching searches/coaches. Therefore, who ever they choose, I will support until that coach gives me a reason to UN-support him.
My opinion is that Leach would be the best hire. If the committee believes otherwise, I’ll do my part and support their guy, no questions asked. If the new HC fails in 3 years and Leach is tearing it up at ________ school, I’m going to send Archie and Glenn a very, very nasty package in the mail.
by OxpatchReb on Nov 29, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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if we hire Zook I will burn something down
In my body, where the shame gland should be, there is a second awesome gland. True story.
by Duece's accoutant on Nov 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST reply actions
Milton Waddams?
No seriously…ZOOK? Um, sounds like he’d be more interested in Memphis (lord knows why…less pressure in C-USA?). I think the fact he was speaking was a coincidence, That and the writer just jammed a bunch of fired coaches together.
Oh, you may want to repost the url in the body of the comments…titles don’t link in SBN (I found that out after an embarrassing post-spam).
Dude, I like Katy Perry and watch "Glee." I’m pretty much a lost fucking cause.
by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Nov 29, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I almost posted in the body but for some reason I didn't. Its the last week of classes, lets just say if effort was graded, I would get a D
In my body, where the shame gland should be, there is a second awesome gland. True story.
by Duece's accoutant on Nov 29, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Memphis High
I bet the former Memphis State hires Reverend Dale.
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by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 30, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I may be an RTard, but.....
I’ve been thinking about this for quite a while and while driving to the office this morning was able to round out something worth saying.
Anyone remember the letter that Jones sent out several weeks ago a/b the administration not being bullied by outsiders? Pair that with the yelling and screaming going on with regards to hiring Leach. If all three of the things that “we the people” wanted happen do occur (fire Boone and Nutt, hire Leach), how does that make the administration look? As he mentioned, the NCAA might have issues with “Institutional Control”… just say’n.
Now, Archie is the co-chair of the search committee. If I were him, I think I would have several things to consider.
- It goes without saying, but, “What is best for OM.”
- I’d argue that this hire will be a huge part of both his personal and family legacy at OM. In essence, what is good for the school will be good for him b/c he can either be remembered as the one who ushered in the era of Coach ______________ or the moron who hired that idiot _______________.
As I read all the names flying around, I’d love to have a Leach. High flying, big numbers, fun to watch offense, HOWEVER I think this year more than ever it is showing that defense wins championships. I’m not saying that we’re going to win a championship of any kind, I’m a realist and only hope for 7-8 win average seasons with a 9-10 win season every couple of years.
If we hire a coach with solid recruiting abilities (they don’t all have to be all American prospects), strong disciplne and play calling schemes that make sense, we’ll be miles ahead of where we are now. I have to think that with the depth of knowledge, connections and personal stake that Archie has, we’re going to get a solid candidate. I personally don’t like the idea of Freeze, Huspeth or the other guys in that same range, but I feel like so long and Archie is not forced to roll over on the final decision, the quality will be there.
Maybe a new hash tag is in order? #havefaithinarchie
We are not going to out defense LSU and Alabama on a consistant basis. Which is why we need Leach. Call me one of those guys drooling over him. For me he is the right guy for the job.
Can another hire work? Sure. I just think we will end up like a state. One or two wins in the conferance and a liberty bowl bid. Granted his is much better than what we currently have. I just think Leach’s offense was great then, he has had time to look at new stuff being out of coaching and no matter what anyone says the guy is smart and funny and would give us a positive view of the future. No matter who is the coach he has a uphill battle and I think the one best fitted is a guy that likes a challenge.
Yes I understand Freeze runs a similar offense. He has very little head coaching experiance. He has ties to Ole Miss but they are connected to Ed O. I am just not sure he is ready for what is head at Ole Miss. We have a really hard schedule next season barring changes with Missouri and A&M.
by Areyouready?nonotreally on Nov 29, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
"consistant" + "conferance" + "experiance" = MSU Ph.D candidate or other troll.
A Football Program is a Terrible Thing to Waste.
by sutpens100 on Nov 29, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ole Miss has had the #1 defense in the country before.
Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
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The only team EVER to have the #1 defense AND a losing record (5-6).
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by A Fan's Notes on Nov 29, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bad year to be looking for a name coach.....
I believe finding a name coach is going to be almost impossible as there are too many job openings at more popular schools. I think you can forget Leach, I just can’t see them hiring someone that isn’t afraid to speak his mind…that won’t do at all with the current administration and if I read correctly, the chancellor has the final say so on the hire…he is not politically correct enough and would not represent the public persona that the school wishes to be put forth these days….That all said somewhat sarcastically and tongue in cheek, as I would love to see someone with his take no prisoners attitude in the HC spot.
However I think we are going to see someone like Hudspeth or Smart but I don’t think it is going to be anyone with any “wow” factor….we will probably be doing another head coaching search in 3-5 years, especially if we can’t find some way of competing and winning a few against MSU. Mullen may not be the coach of the year but he is focused on whipping our asses and is doing a fair job at it. It would be nice to see someone with some fire and gumption enough to return the fight a little…
Some also see the fact that the new HC would not know who the new AD will be that they will be working for as a possible hurdle to getting a reputed coach. No one wants to take a job and then have to worry if the new AD is going to come in and want to bring in his own people.
"Name" coach....who cares about a name? Give me wins.
No one knew who the hell Urban Meyer was when he was at Bowling Green. No one knew who Tubby was when we hired him. No one knew who Gary Patterson was a few years ago. No one knew who Mike Leach was when we played the Spike Dykes-coached Red Raiders in the Independence Bowl.
Not saying I’m against a well-known coach coming to Oxford. But the truth is there aren’t many out there (that we would actually want) that are even available – unless you want someone who was just fired, such as Erickson, Neuheisal, etc.
Players care....
Recruits, alumni, fans, …the issue is our turnover since Brewer. And this will be the fourth coach in a decade. Having a “name” coach can bring unity, excitement, etc….With that being stated outside of Saban, Miles, Carroll, having a “name” does not seem to equal winning and good recruiting these days.
by IslanderRebel on Nov 29, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
We now have Washington State to compete with...
I eat competition in my bowl of Wheaties! Archie just prefers milk.
by stampman4390 on Nov 29, 2011 2:30 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Ataraxic.
Take our time, make the best possible hire. Chill.
A Football Program is a Terrible Thing to Waste.
I posted this in the other thread, but what about Paul Johnson or another Triple Option coach?
Ole Miss would be guaranteed at least 8 wins a year with a Triple Option offense, you can still run a lights out defense because of the ball control offense, you would always have a chance in a big game because of the schematic advantage of being the only team in the SEC to run the Triple Option, and the offense works without having 5 star recruits.
I’d be beating down Paul Johnson’s door right now and begging him to come to UM.
I am so tired of people saying things like "I'd be knocking on Paul Johnson's door..."
Successful coaches like that are NOT going to come here. Chris Peterson is not coming here. Paul Johnson is not coming here. And again (as posted before), I don’t think that Briles or Sumlin will come here right now.
If you want to run the triple option that’s fine, I can see how it would be different. Maybe you were just making a point when you said Paul Johnson, if so I am ranting at some of the others.
And I am going to try and pre-empt here before someone jumps on me for being a defeatist. I am not.
I think we can get a coach who will be successful. It’s just the state of our program right now is not good (actually, fucking terrible).
Mike Bellotti just spoke on ESPNU (talking about WSU but I think it applies to us) about how he helped build the Oregon program. Step 1 was to win the recruiting battles against in-state schools and vultures (like Oregon State, Washington State and Washington), then you can move on to recruiting consistently in the region, then you can get a few national guys. I really believe this could happen for us, if we played our cards right.
I wonder how many times in the past three weeks Mullen as told a recruit,
“You know TSUN don’t have a coach—come to Starkville where we win championships.”
by goulajamz on Nov 29, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I realize Johnson would be a long shot,
but at the very least he could direct you to a good guy to hire that runs that offense. Both Navy and Georgia Southern are schools he formerly coached at. Navy gave Sakerlina all they wanted this year and almost beat them. Georgia Southern gave Alabama fits and put up 300 yards rushing on one of the greatest defenses in modern college football history .
The answer is to higher a triple option guy. Maybe Navy’s head coach, he is a Johnson disciple. Maybe the coach at Georgia Southern.
by El Kabong!!! on Nov 29, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Glen Waddle:
Neeeeeeeeee…ahm…ata…looo..laaaaaa
As parting gifts go, the home version of Sophie’s Choice is sucksational.
by uh...um... on Nov 29, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Option Offense
I agree the Triple Option may be a nice fit for OM, but Paul Johnson isn’t leaving GT. Read this: http://www.dailygamecock.com/sports/item/2147-kratch-past-weekend-proves-option-is-a-brilliant-offense
Sorry
But the triple option would not guarantee us, or anyone else in the SEC, 8 wins a year. SEC DCs and front sevens would eat that shit up, despite GSU and Navy’s one-off “successes” this year. While GT under Coach Johnson has scored points against UGA, GT has won only once in the last five COFH games. Running PJ’s shoeshine offense in either division, 8 wins (.500 in conference) is possible, but far from guaranteed. The ACC is not the SEC.
I got much love for PJ. But if we’re going gimmick offense, I say put it in the air. At least expand the playbook to keep DCs guessing, instead of shrinking it to a dozen plays.
When does football season start?
Spot on
if anyone can consistently win 8-9 games a season in the SEC running the flexbone, you can punch me right in the balls.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Nov 29, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
The Option Can Work
We didn’t have the right staff and certainly right players for it. Maybe that will change.
by muttinthehut on Nov 29, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Recruits...recruits...recruits...
I agree…we will be out recruited for the better athletes if we ran the flexbone or any other option style offense…no quarterback that wants to be a pro QB is going to want to play in that style offense nor would any decent receivers…the other schools around us would use that against us on any recruit worth his salt….Also, Georgia didn’t didn’t seem to have any issues in stopping as would neither of the top SEC defenses. It works for schools like the service academies because they don’t have to worry about recruiting, they just take their best athletes and plug them in.
Are we really assuming A-list coaches are out of the question?
Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
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Yes.
Right now, Ole Miss is a B level program at best. You aren’t going to go out and get a Meyer, Saban, etc. You could MAYBE get Tressel, but he’s kind of tainted.
by El Kabong!!! on Nov 29, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
What criteria are we using?
Wins?
Conference?
Fan base?
Location?
Quality of eduction?
Number of players going pro?
If Ole Miss is a B
Memphis would be a D or F
by IslanderRebel on Nov 29, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
At the Present Time
Memphis would beat UM.
We’re probably a ‘G’ then
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by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 30, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Bad wording.
What I mean is, are we already accepting the fact Ole Miss won’t even try to go for one of them?
Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
Official Member of the Busch Stadium Squirrel Fan Club.
I would be pissed if they didn't try to go for an A-lister. If they don't, they're neglecting their jobs.
But I have kind of made a personal decision to accept that we won’t get one.
Yes. It would be a waste of time.
You are competing against probably 10 or so other programs, which limits the pool of good candidates. You need to move fast to get a good guy. The odds of getting a good guy that was overlooked by the other schools that are looking are very low, but it does happen. Yet another reason I recommend going for a triple option guy, because it allows you to pick from a pool of candidates that aren’t being looked at by every school. Many schools don’t want to run an option offense for some stupid reason. I wouldn’t want to run it if I was at Alabama, but at Ole Miss, absolutely.
by El Kabong!!! on Nov 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
How do you know if it's a waste of time if you don't even talk to some of them?
I’m not saying Ole Miss is going to get Nick Saban, and it probably is a long shot to get somebody really good, but you sure as hell don’t know if you don’t talk to them. If South Carolina could get Steve Spurrier anything’s possible (well, almost anything).
Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
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Saban and Spurrier
were both returning or ready to return to the college ranks from the NFL at the time there were openings at Alabama and South Carolina. Neither left their national championship teams for another, smaller school in the same conference with lesser facilities and budget.
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by A Fan's Notes on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
And SC never would've known it if they hadn't talked to Spurrier.
Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
Official Member of the Busch Stadium Squirrel Fan Club.
south carolina
had a pretty big ace in the hole to toss spurrier: a membership @augusta, that goes pretty far, for a golf freak like the obc
by ghostofbillybrewer on Nov 29, 2011 11:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and SC did NOT lure the ol' ball coach away from Florida.
We’re not going to lure Saban away from Alabama with a membership to Sardis Yacht Club.
A Football Program is a Terrible Thing to Waste.
What's not to like about SYC?
We got BassTrackers, Bay Liners, and a party barge strung together like a floating trailer park…
by stampman4390 on Nov 30, 2011 9:33 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Mario Cristobal
Does anyone else like this guy? I really like his energy and enthusiasm. He has done a lot as well with very little. What is your thoughts?
by dncollins82 on Nov 29, 2011 3:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
On the triple option attack. I love the idea. I like Ga. Techs offense.
by dncollins82 on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The problem with their offense is if they get behind early or by a wide margin, they're basically done.
How is that different than what you have now?
I’m not saying the Triple Option is a better offense than a spread, run and shoot, pro style, etc. What I am saying is that right now in today’s world, it is the only offense that gives a team with lesser talent a chance to compete with a team that has superior talent every single game.
Sure, you might get behind and can’t catch up, but what offense with lesser talent can do that on a regular basis against SEC defenses? There isn’t one. Sure, if you have Cam Newton at QB, or even a Robert Griffin III, you can do amazing things on comebacks. But you guys don’t have one, and aren’t likely to have one on a regular basis.
by El Kabong!!! on Nov 29, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I highly disagree with this statement:
What I am saying is that right now in today’s world, it is the only offense that gives a team with lesser talent a chance to compete with a team that has superior talent every single game.
You could literally say the same thing about Leach. He took inferior talent at TT and won with a high powered passing attack. Boise State beat UGA because they had the better QB that night. Are you really going to tell me BSU has more talent than Georgia?
The triple option is effective because it is difficult to prepare for. However, I watched Paul Johnson’s GA Tech team lose to an LSU squad (badly for that matter) because LSU just played responsibility football. The issue with the triple option is that a lesser talented defense can defeat it with proper preparation. This was a GA Tech team that had Dwyer in the backfield.
On top of all that, I simply don’t believe it’s viable to run the triple option in the SEC with our offensive lineman. You have to be 2 deep at every position on the OL because those lineman will get injured and tired when you run it 50 times a game. We will not be able to establish the running game as long as we have a mediocre to bad offensive line, regardless of what system we run.
On top of all that, you still didn’t address ssmund’s question. I just think a one dimensional approach (either passing or running) is pretty stupid these days. You have to be able to respond. I’d at least like that if we were down 17-0 to Auburn, we would have an offense that can open it up.
My biggest point is that A) Paul Johnson is not going to leave for Ole Miss and B) This argument is no different than people who argue the only way to win at Ole Miss is with the Leach. There are examples of those offenses facing quality SEC squads and getting demolished. While those individual bowl games etc. may not be enough to go on to assess those systems’ potential in the SEC, it does show that they can be shut down by a quality defense.
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf
by Mexter Dccluster on Nov 29, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ditto.
And don’t forget what UGA did to Ga Tech just this past weekend.
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by A Fan's Notes on Nov 29, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Johnson and Leach
They also dont have SEC talent. Ole Miss still has normally good recruiting. Our problem has been coaching and discipline. Ole Miss hasnt had a problem getting skill positions outside of qb. Leach fixs the qb issue. Also with his offense it doesnt depend of tons strength up front its more about timing patterns and movement.
by Areyouready?nonotreally on Nov 29, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
And no one talks about PJ's personality
Think Leach isn’t abrasive enogh? Then go for PJ. And what about GT’s sweet ACC championship that got stripped at the beginnig of this year. That sucked.
Plus, PJ is used to a certain type of player from Navy and GT: smart, determined and disciplined. We need someone to come in and give our guys determination and discipline. I think PJ is fine where he is.
When does football season start?
Coaches
I would hope that we are waiting out for a quality hire like Smart.
I am not saying that Freeze or Hud would not have been good hires….I just don’t think they are the right hires for right now. Both of them are fairly young and many…a great many…in our fanbase would consider them as “more of the same”. Especially considering proven coaches like Leach (say what you want about him…but he produced W’s and graduation rates consistently at Tech) were available.
Fedora, to many, has not proven much at Southern considering the losses to UAB, lack of CUSA championships, and in relation to Bower’s legacy there.
Smart has been associated with a national power. Knows how a proven rebuilder, recruiter, and coach thinks and works. Yet, he is young enough to realize that approach might need to be modified to produce at other programs. He would be an outsider and most in the fanbase would at least see him as a sign of real change and an attempt to move the program forward by bringing in a man associated with winning, discipline, and fundamental coaching.
I am attempting to have faith in this committee to really move the University forward instead of adhering to the typical conservative, play it safe, PC, more-of-the-same kind of mentality.
Smart?
Why is Kirby Smart a good hire? What does he bring to the table? Its not like he is going to bring Bama’s current D-line or D-backs with him. I’m not anti-anybody at this point (well, that’s not true) but no one has sold me on Smart.
by IslanderRebel on Nov 29, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Smart is considered a real Sabanite
Probably more so than most other Saban assistants, he is almost a clone of Saban from a standpoint of work ethic, recruiting, and a desire to be good.
The only reason Smart won’t leave Alabama is if he is planning on waiting for Saban to retire, and I can promise you that Alabama fans would be tickled to death to have him as head coach.
by El Kabong!!! on Nov 29, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Um...
I think I pretty much listed what he brings in the post that you REPLIED to.
Hell if nothing else…the teaching of fundamentals! The second TD that State scored in the Egg Bowl on the option would not have happened on a Smart taught defense because they know to stay in their assignments.
I don't mind they're taking some time on this.
IF there is a plan to do that. I’m assuming they’re waiting for someone’s season to be over so they can interview some coaches in particular. I’d much rather wait to get someone good than pull the trigger early on someone just to get them.
But if the committee is doing this and then turns around and makes some boneheaded decision, it will have been a complete waste of time. That would be the Ole Miss way, but with the unique situation involved here, I’m hoping it will be different.
Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
Official Member of the Busch Stadium Squirrel Fan Club.
Orgeron
Orgeron was with a “national power” as well also a defense guy…. how’d that turn out again?
by dncollins82 on Nov 29, 2011 3:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Orgeron wasn't even a coordinator either.
I don’t think he’s a very good example. That was a doomed hire from the get-go and everybody could see it coming.
Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
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Orgeron
Was a glorified DL coach. Smart is the DC and as much as a right hand man as you can have with Saban.
Orgeron was also, still is, a helluva recruiter. Nutt’s first two seasons were on the back of Orgeron talent. Orgeron just couldn’t gameday coach his way out of a paper bag.
Can we throw Johnny Vaught
in the Lazarus Pit?
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by charlym on Nov 29, 2011 3:49 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
R.I.P.
Coach Vaught (God bless his soul) would have his butt handed to him now-a-days.
And so would Bryant, Dooley, etc….Our coaches of today are standing on the shoulders of these giants, but the game passed them by…
Let the rotten tomato throwing begin….
by IslanderRebel on Nov 29, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
No tomato throwing...
I agree. The game today has evolved from what these guys did. We have Bryant/Dooley/Vaught to thank for the foundations of this evolution, though. We can still respect the work these guys have done and the legacies they have left behind. With that said, though, I think any one of these guys could come to Oxford today and make our team better simply by installing discipline and a sense of pride into our team.
by stampman4390 on Nov 29, 2011 9:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This reference pleases me.
Rec’d.
"There's no better way to say 'I'm a badass' than the thumbs up. It's so hot right now."
by bowtierebel on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
smart
Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t see Smart being a good hire either but that’s my opinion.
by dncollins82 on Nov 29, 2011 3:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Just my opinion
That he is the best option left in the bag of potential candidates.
I personally think Leach was, if you go purely on the potential to produce wins, the best hire at the beginning of all of this.
I know all the reasons why he was not pursued. Too quirky, all the baggage, potential conflicts with Ole Miss personalities, etc.
But given past performance alone…he is a name, a proven head coach, in a BCS conference, that has a scheme, that worked consistently, to produce wins, at a smaller school, with lesser talent.
If our options truly are Smart, Fedora and Hudspeth
then you take Smart and run for it IMO
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of those 3
Of those 3 yes but still think Mario Cristobal should get an interview.
by dncollins82 on Nov 29, 2011 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Cup says Smart:
A source close to the Cup has informed us that Alabama DC Kirby Smart is to be hired as the OM head coach. Announcement later this week.
Well,
we feel quite good about the sources behind this, but we’re not ready to report it as fact.
Thus the tweet and not an article that would get 100k hits and come up wrong. That’s not our style.
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by Juco All-American on Nov 29, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I could not agree more.
Well said.
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by Duece's accoutant on Nov 29, 2011 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I trust your tweeting, and I understand the hesitation.
Just saw on ESPN that Mullen is pegged for the Penn St. job.
That would make for an interesting storyline in the Ohio St./Penn. St. rivalry. Better yet, State will have to take down those hideous billboards. #Penn-St-is-not-your-state
and today on Head to Head
they talked about that. the feelings in starkville have gone from “he’s not leaving us… this is his state” to “well, we can’t keep him forever. we have a good AD/pres and they’ll hire another guy better than mullen.” and then matt and richard got into one of their Odd Couple quarrels.. Wyatt seems to agree that state will have no problem hiring a coach as good as/better than mullen, and richard rightly reminded him that starkville is a shithouse and traditionally a bad football program. i am not sure why state fans believe that top coaches will be clamoring for a job at state. but then again, i’m mighty biased.
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by Sideline Snead on Nov 29, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
I want Mullen to stick around at MSU
Because I hate to think he will finish his career undefeated against Ole Miss.
Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
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I thought about this too
But in the end, I’ve no ill-intent toward the man himself. I know good and well that all this “TSUN” and “our state” is a brillant plan to pander to the ignorant masses of State. Honestly, he’s identified their raison d’etre as soon as he got the job.
And if he leaves today, he’s really only had one good year (and not with his players) at State and even with that, he’s just 9-15 in the SEC. I don’t think he’s turned their program around as much as they think.
by Operation_Masoli_Freedom on Nov 29, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Mullen to PSU?
Does he know that Ole Miss is not in the Leaders division? I guess he can promise the Nittany Lions he’ll never lose to Perdue.
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by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 30, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hudspeth
Hudspeth is out of Ole Miss list, going to MSU. Mullen is going to Penn State. Just saying, rumors are flowing in Starkville. This is where the faith in Archie is getting hard. I still believe!
For Some Reason
That scenario makes sense. I could see Hudspeth at State.
But the short list that’s being thrown around really makes me uncomfortable.
by muttinthehut on Nov 29, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope we don't wait around too long
With all of the openings around the country I’m a little worried that we might hold out and get bit in the ass for not making a quick decision. It is no easy decision and one that requires plenty of thought, but we should have been on the hunt for a coach before Nutt got canned.
I Would Like To Think...
that we are smart enough to pull one of these changes off.
I’ve always thought they had this in planning since the Vandy game. And so had the contenders targeted early on, with a couple of “big names” just to keep it exciting. But things got so bad and Houston Nutt wanted to prove to everyone how good HE is so he made things go off the rail in a hurry just to make Ole Miss look bad.
But given our track record I don’t think we’re that smart and I am preparing for a letdown.
by muttinthehut on Nov 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I lost faith when they were reduced to hiring Ogeron
Until the Florida game the Nutt hire was looking as good as it does now.
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by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 30, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Which Is Strange To Me
That the job is not appetizing. I mean, no, we’re not a powerhouse. But we have a lot going for us. And realistically the expectations aren’t that high – go .500 and beat State and everyone is happy. I would think a lot of guys would be interested just because it doesn’t have the unrealistic expectations like a lot of schools (to remain nameless for obvious reasons).
So why is this not an attractive job? I have never really understood that.
by muttinthehut on Nov 29, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
The expectations are a lot higher than just go .500 and beat State.
That’s great for years 1 and 2, but you do that in years 3 or 4 and you’ll get the boot. And given our conference and comparative resources, it’s difficult to do. The expectations here are more “unrealistic” than at, say, Arizona or Washington State.
Maybe - But Most Folks Seem Content With That
I’m not saying that I’m content with that. But I honestly think that the majority of our fan base could be totally satisfied with .500 and a State win.
by muttinthehut on Nov 29, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Crootin'
Of course many would be happy with a .500 record now because of the clusterfuck that has been the last two seasons. But after that…well just look at what happened with Cutcliffe..once .500 is accomplished for a couple years, folks are going to want 8 or 9 wins every season..it’s just human nature.
by Bro. Mouzone on Nov 29, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
We'd be happy for 2 seasons. Then we'd expect him to improve.
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by Mexter Dccluster on Nov 29, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
one thing is for sure
i am glad we are (currently) the only HC job available in the SEC. it sucks to suck, but it could be worse.
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That's a problem.
Being fine with half-assing it. A winning coach would/should have high expectations.
I think its more realistic view of things.
40 million dollar budget.
60000 seat football field
small state population
2 sec school state with another large division 1 school in it.
7 to 8 win seasons should be the norm. 10 win seasons every 4 years or so.
by Areyouready?nonotreally on Nov 29, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well let's outlaw contraceptives so that the population increases, so that the size of school increases, so that amount of donations increase, so that our stadium size increases, so that we win more games.
Problem. Solved.
Didn't They Try That Already?
/Prop 26’d
by Catfish Row on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I just want to see a competitive Ole Miss team.
7-8 wins is fine with me with standout seasons in the mix. I feel like we should strive for a little more than what we have in the past.
Also, we’ve got some expansions for the stadium coming sometimes in the future.
Words cannot express how happy I would be for an average of 7.5 wins with a 10 win season every 4-6 years.
This has been repeated many times (by myself and others), but if we could, and I’m not saying it would be easy, average 7.5 wins for a decade to 15 years, then we could really talk about loftier ambitions like making a serious run at elite program status. That kind of performance brings in money and support, and lots of it. That kind of performance and stability would, in my opinion, make us dominant recruiting in-state guys.
I know this is far from a certainty and probably not likely, but I think it is feasible if we do things the right way.
by Crootin' on Nov 29, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like this search will ruin my finals week studying...
I just wish the search committee would set some kind of deadline for a few weeks ahead so I can relax and focus on finals without the fear of not being one of the first in on the 411. Chances are I’d still be scouring the internets for rumors and leaks, though..
By the way, it sucks living 50 feet from a search committee member and not be able to get any info from them. It’s KILLING ME!
by Mackey, Nutt's Sackey on Nov 29, 2011 9:39 PM EST reply actions
hahaha i wish you would
just go knock on the door… “excuse me, can i ax you something….?”
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by Sideline Snead on Nov 29, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Is Mackey, Nutt’s Sackey Sly Croom?
by Areyouready?nonotreally on Nov 29, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
I've got several tests this week that it has already ruined.
If this continues, next week will be killer…
by stampman4390 on Nov 29, 2011 10:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yep.
I had a group presentation today that I needed to work on last night, but I had to tell my group I had “other engagements” and couldn’t make the meeting because I couldn’t take my eyes off my computer.
by Mackey, Nutt's Sackey on Nov 29, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Someone with greater knowledge of Smart's career...
Please explain to me why he went to UGA as a RB Coach for a season when he’s been pretty much a defensive guy since even back in his playing days…
Recruiting prowess
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by Mexter Dccluster on Nov 29, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
It's really not that unusual for that to happen.
I think Urban Meyer was like a LB coach or something at one point in his career. Those “lesser” position coaches are selected more on the basis of their overall coaching ability than based on their affinity towards any one position.
Ah, ok, that makes some sense.
I just wasn’t sure if there was any significance since I haven’t ever followed UGA’s coaching staff minutia all that closely, so I wasn’t sure if his presence had an impact or not.
Whatever, I don’t know yet how I feel about any of the ATM Top 3 candidates other than I wish we had more than 3 names of guys with a shot at the gig.
by King Compton on Nov 30, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Gus Malzahn's first experience
was coaching linebackers. You take what you can get early on.
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by Juco All-American on Nov 30, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I guess maybe it was still considered early on, but
Smart’s stint at Georgia was in 2005, sandwiched between years at LSU & Miami (NFL) in defensive positions.
Whatever. No matter.
by King Compton on Nov 30, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
If Smart is like Saban then hire him
If Smart can come in and take control of the program and runs it like Saban where there is no outside influence then he is the guy. I have always believed that Nutt was paid or pressured in playing Bradly Sowell.
by rk9762 on Nov 30, 2011 9:27 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
"I have always believed the Nutt was paid or pressured in playing Bradly Sowell."
That’s ludicrous. Sowell was awful, and you won’t hear me sing his praises, but he was the only option we had for most of his time here. Who else would you have lined up at left tackle? Sowell always had the potential to be a good player (thus all the pre-season awards), but he never lived up to that potential. Doesn’t mean Nutt was paid to play him.
by TwoYardsandaCloudofEnricky on Nov 30, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Plus the man made almost $3 million a year guaranteed with a (unfortunately) enormous buyout.
There is no incentive for him to take money to play Bradley Sowell unless someone handed him a briefcase full of $250,000 – which would never happen.
I'm sorry but
They could have moved matt hall to left tackle. That was his position at Arkansas and there are plenty guards to chose from to take his place. I have been watching ole miss football for thirty five years and have worked with and talked to former players and what I have learned from them that politics have taken place to get certain players to play.
by rk9762 on Nov 30, 2011 9:52 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Sowell is a QB's nightmare. There's no argument there.
For some unknown reason, Sowell was (or is?) highly regarded by outsiders. I agree with Two Yards, it’s all based on potential and not play. Nutt should have replaced him if there was another option. If you have some info that we should know, please share.
I think what happened
was Sowell got thrown into the fire in 2009. Fortunately, he had John Jerry, Reid Neely and Daverin Geralds on the line as well. That O-line was okay IN SPITE of Sowell’s awful play. I would put most of that SC loss in 2009 on Sowell. Sure Eric Norwood is good, but Sowell should never have been the left tackle. You could tell that after Jevan Snead got rattled early, his confidence was shot. He looked anxious all season because he knew that his blindside protector was no longer Michael Oher, but Bradley “I hope I’m supposed to go on one, but I’m not going to ask” Sowell.
After 2009, Sowell was pretty much the lone holdover and because that unit as a whole was pretty good, a lot of people assumed that meant he was good. Then Masoli comes in and our offense put up solid numbers, especially rushing. However, those numbers for fewest sacks and second in the conference in rushing were misleading because Masoli ran all over the place in 2010.
This season, we returned 8-9 guys with experience and Sowell was the senior, LT for an O-line that, when you look at last season’s rushing stats and sacks, indicates they were good. Therefore, this year people assumed Sowell would be even better. The problem is, I haven’t seen a lick of difference in BS from that 2009 SC game to this year’s Egg Bowl. That is why he draws so much ire. I’ve watched him be a 3-year achilles heel of our offensive line. I would wager that he averaged at least 1.1 false starts per game.
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by Mexter Dccluster on Nov 30, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah that makes sense.
But I would split that SC game loss 50/50 between Sowell and Nutt not figuring out that Run DMC should touch the ball before the 4th quarter. If I remember correctly, we actually started to move the ball and put up points when Dexter got the ball.
Yeah
I just hate thinking about how we started out so poorly that season when we waited til midway through the season to figure out Dex was sick as hell at tailback.
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by Mexter Dccluster on Nov 30, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Well I look at that SC game as
Dex didn’t get the ball much cause he fumbled away the 08 SC game.
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by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 30, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Great review of Sowell's career
I think it’s spot on. He’s had every opportunity to be a decent player and leader, but has failed every year.
I hope he doesn’t get invited to a senior bowl so he doesn’t make the team look shittier. But watch him go and just kill it in drills and at the game. Then he gets a sweet nfl contract and becomes a decent pro. What a fucking dick.
When does football season start?
I believe Bradley Sowell
was paid or pressured to SUCK. Oh, wait, he didn’t have a choice?! Never mind. Maybe you’re right.
by stampman4390 on Nov 30, 2011 9:34 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Bradley Sowell
is just glad football season is over so he can get back to the important things in life like rescuing kittens from being stuck in trees and helping the elderly across the street.
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and
Working at McDonalds or Roy Rogers
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by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 30, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions

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