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Is the Ole Miss football head coaching job an attractive one? Why or why not?

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Is the Ole Miss football head coaching job an attractive one?
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I voted "Yes" because:

1. We pay very well….top 15 in the country in the case of our outgoing coach. This shows that success is important to us and that we are willing to commit resources to achieve that success.

2. Ultimately, like any D-1 head coaching job, this will prove to be a high pressure job, but the new coach will be given time to succeed – the program is certainly at its lowest point since WWII, so gradual improvement should be relatively easy to attain.

3. We have some very good athletes who were recruited by other more successful SEC teams – these guys are not nearly as bad as their record. There is room for immediate improvement in that record.

4. We play in the best division of the best conference in the country. Any coach worth having will see that as an opportunity and a challenge – and not as a detriment. This also helps in recruiting.

5. The new coach will arrive with the blessing of St. Archie, which is an invaluable asset.

A Football Program is a Terrible Thing to Waste.

by sutpens100 on Nov 22, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree

I am not going to leave a comment because it would be pretty much the same thing

by Totty Hoddy on Nov 23, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a reason you're the best poster on this board, and this right here is why...
They see a program with a large contingent of rich idiots who don’t realize the game has changed since 1972, an AD whose pink slip says "You’re fired as of: TBD" and a fan-base that is willing to cannibalize each other over a mascot.

Golf. Fuckin. Clap.

by OxpatchReb on Nov 22, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

We can attract first-year head coaches from Arkie State and UL-Laff?

Then I guess our job is REALLY attractive.

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by Juco All-American on Nov 23, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Correction

Arkansas has a lower population than Miss. Everything else you said, completely on point. Totally agree.

by BustedNutt on Nov 23, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not…right now. The system is broken at Ole Miss.
There’s a lame duck AD and a Chancellor’s whose commitment to athletics has been questioned time and time again. The cupboard is bare, as seen with no many freshmen and sophomore starting and playing valuable minutes this season.
For a variety of reasons, it remains to be seen how many of those young players, particularly the freshmen, will be back next season. Not to mention Ole Miss plays in a division with the nation’s top three teams and the defending National Champions.
Ole Miss has been successful in the recent past when one, if not both, of the division’s premier programs (Alabama and LSU) were down and, with Saban and Miles there, it’s hard to see either team going away. I think Auburn will take a step back when Malzahn gets his HC job and Arkansas will as well when Petrino does what he does and gets another job, but you can’t compete with Alabama and LSU, at least not for 5+ years. It remaisn to be seen how patient fans and administration will be with that harsh reality.
It’s hard to be successful as one of the three D1 FBS in the state of Mississippi. There’s not enough talent to go around – with this past recruting class be the exception and not the rule.
With all that said, the right AD and the right coach can make all the difference. You need forward thinking from both positions. Someone who’s looking 5-10 years from now, not next year or the year after because it is a complete rebuiliding job. The situation right now reminds me of teams coming off probation. If Ole Miss makes the wrong hire with either or both position, fans will react and the capital campaign will not the see fruits of its labor.
I know that sounds dire and maybe I’m overreacting, but when you’re getting blown out by Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Louisiana Tech, while players are being suspended, there are rumors of playing leaving and you have lame ducks at both head coach and especially AD, it is. Ole Miss has NEVER lost 10 games and they’re about to. Ole Miss hasn’t won just two since before John Vaught. It is that bad.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains.

by akmiller on Nov 22, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

I'll guess I'll just go line by line pointing out where you are wrong

1. It is… right now. The system is what a coach fixes when he comes into a new job.

2. There is no AD, which means you can implement your system entirely without a boss to constrict what you want to do with the program. There is a Chancellor that has been Chancellor for two years, and has shown that he will not meddle into your program and has bigger and better things to worry about than your football team.

3. The cupboard is full of freshmen and sophomores with experience, most of whom were highly recruited out of high school, as seen on recruiting websites and on TV this year. Both LSU and Alabama are viewed as the best in the country year in and year out, which gives you an opportunity to jump into the elite of the nation every single year. Other programs don’t have this ability.

4. Not one of the current players on the roster has said that they are leaving, meaning that they are all willing to commit to your system when you get here if you have a system worth selling.

Ole Miss plays the highest competition, you finally got something right.

5. Ole Miss last won 9 games when Miles and Saban were at LSU and Alabama when both teams had won 10 games in the previous two years. Ole Miss can compete with the best teams. You have a B personality that accepts being a bitch. However if a new coach with an A personality takes the job, he can compete with Alabama and LSU, as evidenced by the fact that we play them close every year minus this one. Gene Chizik showed that you can win a national championship in an SEC West school even with Saban at Alabama. Petrino is knocking on the door of back to back BCS bowl games. Other teams can compete with and replace the current best teams, just as Oklahoma State has done with Texas in the Big XII. All it takes the right coach to take Ole Miss there.

6. Its not hard to be successful as 1 of 3 schools in Mississippi when you are the best of the three. There is enough talent to make one hell of a football team, you just have to make sure as the best school, you get the best players. This past recruiting class should be the rule.

Finally, you understand. The right coach and the right AD, and Ole Miss is damn good at football again. That’s what makes it an attractive job dumbass. You can win here if you are a winner. Yes, the performance on the field has been the worst in history this past year. That doesn’t make the job a bad one. You are the idiot that is only looking at the past 2 years, yet preaching to look at a decade from now. Look at the last decade, where we tied for the west and won 9 games 3 times. You can win here, recruit here and have brand new facilities. You can play the best and become the best. That can’t be said for everywhere, but it can here, which is why we are an attractive gig.

FWIW, I’ve heard Malzahn’s name being thrown around recently. I still want Leach.

Considering changing my name to RebelBlackBearsConception

by ColRebsLastBreath on Nov 22, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Dan Jones hate is overboard

But he has, in fact, meddled in athletics already. The whole From Dixie with Love fiasco ring any bells?

Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
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by Wild Rebel on Nov 22, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd.

For obvious reasons.

I always say 'beer me.' It gets a laugh, like, a quarter of the time.

by BeerMeAHottyToddy on Nov 23, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

He also got the part about Petrino leaving Arkansas anytime soon wrong

From ESPN

[Petrino’s] contract also includes an $18 million mutual buyout clause in 2011-12 should the university fire Petrino or he leave the school. The buyout is lowered by $25,000 in 2013 and falls to $14.5 million in 2014 and $10.8 million in 2015. It’s $7.4 million in 2016 and $3.9 million in the final year of the deal.

by txhog on Nov 22, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Not necessarily...

If you are a Texas Hog, surely you know that when Texas tires of Mack Brown’s twilight slide into mediocrity they can and will hire whoever they want. If that happens to be Petrino, bye bye Bobby.

A Football Program is a Terrible Thing to Waste.

by sutpens100 on Nov 22, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm tired

of always hearing our fan base making excuses for why we can’t be good. F that shit. We as a fan base need to start expecting better and need to help by contributing when needed. You can bitch and complain when you leave games early and don’t open your wallet to help the programs build. I hate when people say we can’t compete with Alabama and LSU. Why the f not?? No one handed them the trophies when they won then, they earned them. Same thing we need to do. All this bs about having 3 D-1 schools in the state. Who gives a rats ass. If we’re the best school in the state than Southern and Miss. St should be the ones worried, not us.

I pray to god we get a coach that loves Ole Miss as much as I do and wants to be there for the rest of his career and then we have other schools saying we can’t compete with Ole Miss, instead of the other way around. We need to stop thinking like losers.

Ok enough of the pep talk. Let’s kick some bulldog ass.

by RufusFrenchForHeisman on Nov 22, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Glad somebody said it.

The attitude that Ole Miss can’t compete is exactly why they never will. Ole Miss aims low and achieves at an even lower level.

Tyler Campbell for Heisman.
Official Member of the Busch Stadium Squirrel Fan Club.

by Wild Rebel on Nov 22, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

with that said, here’s a plea to change the tagline of this blog from “sports are chaotic and stupid and we are bad at them” back to “changing the culture of ole miss athletics”. Still has the snark, but with a positive spin.

by RebFan01 on Nov 23, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

i disagree

the tagline they have now is funny. and true. and 100% appropriate.

Ole Miss: Making Other Teams Feel Good About Themselves Since Forever
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by Sideline Snead on Nov 23, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I know who this job is attractive to.

Mike Leach. You know Why? Because a team from this school beat arguably the best team he ever had at TT. If he would have never gotten fired from TT because of Craig James dumb ass any team in the country would be rocking a huge boner in their pants for him. He is a proven winner,he is not a mediocre coach (Nutt) that has a good season every few years. He has winning seasons in the 2nd or 3rd best conference every year and that is what we need to be consistently above .500.

by Lil Twerker on Nov 22, 2011 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

Negative people

Wow… why is it so many Ole Miss fans are so damn negative? No wonder we can’t win or find a decent coach. Maybe that’s why the Rebs haven’t played worth a shit all season long… they sense all that wonderful negative energy. To all the whiners and excuse makers- SHUT THE FUCK UP OR GO MILK COWS WITH THE MSU PEOPLE!! GO TO HELL LSU… #FAILSTATE… HOTTY FUCKIN TODDY BABY

by dncollins82 on Nov 22, 2011 3:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

I think you have to be careful delineating

between negative and realistic. I would love for us to get Urban Meyer and win 11 games a season. However, factoring in some inherent disadvantages, I temper my optimism to prevent myself from going insane in seasons such as this.

It’s not like our players feed off positive energy and praise like they’re Zeus. In the same breath, you could tell the players to man the fuck up and win some games if the “negativity” gets to them.

If the negativity on message boards and this distinguished blog is the reason Bradley Sowell can’t keep his goddamn hand on the ground pre-snap, then fuck him.

"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf

by Mexter Dccluster on Nov 22, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

for the record

And for the record… Ole Miss has some great h.s. talent the problem is we can’t keep them here. There again it goes to negative energy and piss poor attitudes. I wouldn’t wanna stay around here either with all the negative attitudes when I could go be second string at Bama or LSWho either. Grow up and find the positives! Ole Miss is a great school with some problems… they have a beautiful campus… great stadium… wonderful town… gorgeous freakin women and the best parties… have good academics as well. Lots of reasons to go to Ole Miss and a great coach will see the obvious reasons and KNOW its a great choice. Now I’m done… maybe

by dncollins82 on Nov 22, 2011 3:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

One of my favorite episodes

of all time.

"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf

by Mexter Dccluster on Nov 22, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

"Had to get it on the inside so my dad wouldn't see it."

“Had to get wasted before I got it because it hurt like eight bitches on a bitch boat.”

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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Nov 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Aqua Teen Autorec.

Dude, I like Katy Perry and watch "Glee." I’m pretty much a lost fucking cause.

by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Nov 23, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted No.

No one wants to Coach a school with a fanbase suffering Ole Miss/Clemson Syndrome.

Graduated University of Mississippi Leonard McCoy School of Medicine, 2481

by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 22, 2011 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

I would cut a line with 8-Ball to have Clemson's season right now.

The holiday season “sparkle” dims when your season ends in November.

by tuk u 2 on Nov 22, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Record doesn't matter.

Clemson fans are upset they ‘ONLY’ have 8 wins.

Ole Miss/Clemson Syndrome(from the Star Fleet Manual of Interspecies Diseases and Disorders, 2501) :“The phenomenon by which fans of historically second-tier programs delude themselves into thinking that one isolated period of greatness — Clemson’s 1981 national title season — is more representative of their team’s rightful place in the sport’s hierarchy than its other five hundred or so years of football.”

Graduated University of Mississippi Leonard McCoy School of Medicine, 2481

by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 23, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

What about Penn State's sex-scandal syndrome?

OSU’s get-caught-cheating syndrome?
Miami’s get-caught-cheating syndrome?
USC’s get-caught-cheating syndrome?
Oregon’s holy-shit-this-is-the-worst-climate-in-the-country syndrome?
UGA’s next-time-you-lose-to-UF-your-ass-is-grass syndrome?
State’s we-make-good-fertilizer-and-shitty-billboards syndrome?
And so forth…

Deciding to move to a new place and new program is very personal and important decision for the person making it. There are so many variables involved that it’s impossible to predict what a candidate will do: Are his kids struggling in school and need to be somewhere new? Does his wife need a type of medical treatment offered in a particular location? Does he need to be closer (or further) from a particular family member? Etc…

Along with the infinite number of variables that we cannot account for, there are a few relatively superficial factors that are slightly more measurable—How important is: money, the opportunity to build a program, a mascot controversy, the lack of an AD, a second-tier athletic budget, etc.? Even here, however, we cannot accurately predict how a coach will perceive Ole Miss.

Although “Is the Ole Miss football head coaching job an attractive one?” is impossible to answer, at least from the coach’s perspective, there are a few things we can do to encourage a “yes” response: stop bitching about mascots, stop bitching about the administration, show support for our players, donate money, and stay classy.

by goulajamz on Nov 22, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

In the End

Ohio State, Penn State, USC, UGA (which returned to Atlanta), and Miami will remain national powers. The Ducks fanbase may catch Ole Miss/Clemson syndrome as their recent success is much like Clemson’s in 1981 and Ole Miss’ in the 1950’s.

State will always be State. They’ll hang their hat on that one trip to Atlanta forever. And they suffer from their own form of the syndrome in Basketball.

Graduated University of Mississippi Leonard McCoy School of Medicine, 2481

by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 23, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Ole Miss requires a good mix

Like a good cocktail. Good coaching, willing to take risks, must be able to recruit not just Mississippi, but Florida, Texas, and wherever else to find the right talent and successfull academic athletes. We need about 3-5 jucos a year.
I think our fanbase is unrealistic.
I think we can have consistent 6-7 win seasons with the occasional 8-9 and 1year where we compete for the west. Change has been made. The fanbase needs to be supportive, get off Jones case, and let the mascot issue go.
Put your money where your mouth has been, change has been made put up your own money so we can get back to being competitive and going to bowls.

by hotstove97 on Nov 22, 2011 8:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The sole issue I have with Dr. Jones...

is that he failed to take decisive action as the football program imploded and the university community tore itself apart this fall. I have said in another thread that I thought he should have thrown Boone under the bus for throwing Nutt under the bus after Vandy. In my view, he failed a critical leadership test then, and I think he re-failed it by allowing Boone to outlast Nutt. I also said that I didn’t think either of those failures was disqualifying. But I’m skeptical. That said (again), I’m done talking about Dr. Jones for the forseeable future because I do not generally believe that university chancellors/presidents should be judged by how they deal with athletic directors and football coaches – Penn State is an obvious exception.

A Football Program is a Terrible Thing to Waste.

by sutpens100 on Nov 22, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

mascot issue

What exactly does the mascot have to do with wins and losses? I could care less if we had the tuna fish guy or the planters peanut guy for a mascot as long as we get good recruits, don’t get caught bending the rules, and post lots of wins. Who cares about the damn mascot except for the little 4 yr olds who don’t care about the game. Wins and losses is what matters… that is what puts butts in seats and keeps a coach employed. Forget the damn bear and support the Rebels… all student athletes no matter the sport.

by dncollins82 on Nov 22, 2011 10:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Everyone have an Ax to grind with the Black Bear.

but hey Bulldogs and Bears go good together in the Old BloodSport of bear baiting. The New mascot is appropriate for the New Normal as the Bulldogs almost always beat the Bear.

Graduated University of Mississippi Leonard McCoy School of Medicine, 2481

by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 23, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

My personal choice for a Mascot would be

The Ole Miss Krill

If your gonna light us up every saturday and grill our butts at least let the Mascot be a tasty dish served up with Tarter sauce and Horseradish

Graduated University of Mississippi Leonard McCoy School of Medicine, 2481

by SkylarkThibedeau on Nov 23, 2011 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

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