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Where Do We Go From Here?

A proper game recap well come along shortly, as if any sort of analysis or discussion could even be relevant in the face of yesterday's truly historic loss.

An SEC opponent has never scored more than 50 points on Ole Miss. Ever. The last conference opponent to win by such a lopsided margin over Ole Miss was Florida in 1981 by a score of 49-3. The last time Ole Miss lost by a similar margin at home was against Kentucky in 1949, John Vaught's third year as head coach, by a margin of 47-0. So by all measures, Ole Miss hasn't experienced a loss that bad for at least as long as I have been alive, if not ever.

I would say something cliched like "if this doesn't get Houston Nutt fired, then nothing will" but even that's a waste of space. We all know he's fired. No, he won't resign this week, commit ritual seppuku, burn Pete Boone's house down clad in the new bear suit, or any other Sprivals-ish rumors you're hearing. He'll be fired or "resign" at the end of the season because, like his offense, his ousting will be both boring and predictable. Sorry to burst bubbles, y'all.

So, to harken back to the title of this entry, where do we go from here as fans? As for me, I'll be at the game this weekend. I'll be in the Grove (details on Red Tent Rebellion forthcoming) enjoying the company of old friends, the flavors of Memphis' best pulled pork, and thinking of how much I miss one of America's greatest college towns. I'll go to Vaught-Hemingway Stadium and ho-hummingly cheer on the Rebs in what is surely to be yet another losing effort. After that I'll share drinks and good company at City Grocery. The morning after that I'll stuff John Currence's breakfast in my smugly grinning mouth. And I'll be totally content with all of that, football loss aside. It will be a wonderful weekend, all because I, like most Ole Miss fans at this point, am suffering from significant case of football apathy.

Hotty Toddy. Let's make this upcoming HATE WEEK one to remember.

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I, too, am largely apathetic.

I watched every minute of the game last night, and honestly, I felt some stirrings of excitement with that first drive, but after that, I zoned out. It’s getting harder and harder to care about a team and coaching staff who don’t appear to have any level of confidence, discipline, or commitment. I knew we would lose, but there is no excuse for us to lose by that margin. In some ways, this loss was as bad as the Vandy loss or the Jacksonville loss. Obviously, Bama is far better than either of those teams, but last night made one thing perfectly clear, to me at least: We cannot compete with SEC teams (and by compete I’m not even talking about winning consistently, I’m just talking about staying in games) with the current coaching staff. Nutt’s big upside was that, while he’s always lost games he shouldn’t have, he could pull out big wins by staying competitive against top-tier teams. He no longer has that ability, so for me, he no longer has any value.

by TwoYardsandaCloudofEnricky on Oct 16, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

ambivalent describes my feelings

the thing that a loss like this does for me is it clears the fuzz and the rose-tint away like Mr. Clean or Windex on a besotted window, and I can’t deny the truth that Ole Miss football squad hasn’t won anything worth anything since 1963. Ole Miss hasn’t been worth anything in my lifetime. The renewal of hope that comes every August is just plain unwarranted and probably a little insane (you know that saying, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result). I don’t take any pleasure in the sort of Oxford rituals listed in this piece anymore. I’m just tired and beat down and I can’t care and I can’t not care. We may not have good athletic programs, and we may be a third-tier academic university, but at least we have a good landscaping crew. Go Rebs . . .!

by turnip on Oct 16, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

If I were running the show

I would pull out all the stops to bring Mike Leach to Ole Miss. We can’t get him, but I would sure as hell try. Leach is innovative, he is a national name, and he could do wonders with Mississippi talent. Otherwise, some Dan Mullen-style assistant will do nothing for us, but that is precisely what we will get.

by turnip on Oct 16, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

On the bright side

Those basketball promos were sick

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by hottytoddy07 on Oct 16, 2011 1:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Walking back to the Grove

I half expected a basketball to roll out in front of me… only to see the basketball players preform a rendition of ‘Thriller’

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by Reb on the Rez on Oct 16, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that it makes the loss any better, but that is not the most points given up to an SEC team

The second paragraph of the post has “An SEC opponent has never scored more than 50 points on Ole Miss. Ever.”

Alabama in other games has scored 53, 64, 56, 61, 64, 55, 59, and 62 in previous games (some dating to the 1920’s, but the 62 was in 1989). Auburn scored 51 last year in Oxford. LSU has scored 52, 61, and 51 in different games. Even Mississippi State scored 65 against Ole Miss (albeit in 1915).

As far as the lopsidedness of the loss, it is definitely as bad as I remember, but almost seems like a better loss than Tennessee last year (52-14) as Alabama is a much better team than that Tennessee team.

As far as ambivalence, mine is probably at a high also. The only game we were planning on going to this year was LSU and at this point, that’s up for discussion. Most other years (even last year and 2007), I’ve been to at least 4 games, but may not go to any this year.

by dda0002 on Oct 16, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

0 games to attend, that seems about right

My crew decided we won’t go this year. Some haven’t been since the Jacksonville State episode last year. Can you blame them? Have we seen anything that looks like a reason to tune in? Maybe to see if Houston has finally submitted to the whispers that he should wear a man-bra under his shirt during the games… nothing else really.

We need a quarteback, a pass rush, better play calling, a new AD and a new coaching staff to solve all that ails this program. Clean house…

by 3rd and Bourbon on Oct 16, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction

You state that no SEC team has ever scored more than 50. I was in Jackson in the fall of 1989 when Bama beat us 62-27. Or was it 63-27? whatever. It was hideous. We led 21-0 in the 1st quarter, then Bama woke up and scored the next 49 first half points.

We had beaten them the previous year at their homecoming. It was payback. And ugly.

by YardBoy on Oct 16, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

i know it's an unpleasant reason to do this kind of research

but if you are looking for historical scores and basic information like this you should check out college football data warehouse. according to them (and i’ve never found an error in their records) that 62 point game was indeed in 1989.

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by kleph on Oct 16, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Late to This

But I was at that horrendous game in Jackson in 1989. We went up 21-0 early in that game and our team looked on fire. We’d beaten them not only on their homecoming the year before but also it was the day they opened the Beat Bryant museum in Tuscaloosa. We were thinking we were going to have back-to-back wins over Bama for the first time ever and then the wheels fell off. It was horrible. Actually, yesterday’s game felt a lot like that one. It was like watching your child get beaten up on the playground and you’re powerless to say or do anything about it other than to scream no over and over again.

by Catfish Row on Oct 16, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm.
The last time Ole Miss lost by a similar margin at home was against aKentucky in 1949, John Vaught’s third year as head coach, by a margin of 47-0.

Maybe when the genius minds at Forward Rebels invent the TARDIS they can go back in time and fire him, too.

Catch it in ur mouth like ur last name Moss...

by Rh0d3$t@r on Oct 16, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Edit to add...

…I’m not defending Nutt, here; the performance has not matched his price tag. But there’s a way to handle your familial disputes in the living room and not out on the street.

Catch it in ur mouth like ur last name Moss...

by Rh0d3$t@r on Oct 16, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

all time low

yesterday was an abortion that, sadly, we ask saw coming…just disgusting to watch the team lay down, but with even more god-forsaken play calling, who could really blame them? This is a burning question that I am surprised has not been mentioned on this site(to my knowledge) from what I understand, one of nutt’s daughters is the host of a morning sports talk show in Oxford these days, is she still on the air? And if so, how does she avoid discussing the absolute destruction of this program, compliments of her father? Does this show take calls? And if they do, aren’t the majority of the listeners trashing the coaching staff on a regular basis at this point? Just seems like having her in this position is a serious conflict of interest(from a journalistic standard standpoint, if in fact those do exsist these days in o-town) and bottom line, it has to be beyond akward for her to be on this show in a daily basis, with her fathers total incompetence being on display every day. Any feedback on this would be appreciated, thanks in advance

by ghostofbillybrewer on Oct 16, 2011 2:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

It just seems to be a case of "they don't care, so why should we?"

I had little hope going into this season…of course, that indicates I actually had some. Now I have absolutely none. No hope or faith in this coaching staff, or even in most of these players, who are merely punching their ticket to a possible stint in the NFL, CFL, AFL or perhaps assistant coach at a small high school program if they are lucky. It’s sad, really. I always go into any situation with the attitude of “expect the worst, hope for the best.” Well the best in this case is the tailgating (nice piece in this weekend’s Parade by Rick Bragg, BTW).

I do not have tickets to the Arkansas game nor will I try to get any. I will be happy to hold down the fort and watch the coolers for my fellow Cuppers while you head into VHS. I promise not to bogart your beers. I will gladly share my Kraken and fondly remember the Brewer years when I was in junior high, high school and college, the few post-grad highlights of the Tuberville era (pine boxes notwithstanding), Eli, Deuce, Romaro and the rest, and hope for better days…but I will not fool myself into thinking any part of this 2011 season is salvageable.

I will save my Arkansas hate for the Hate Week thread. I got plenty built up…it’ll be a doozy.

Dude, I like Katy Perry and watch "Glee." I’m pretty much a lost fucking cause.

by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Oct 16, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone else kinda scared that

Queen Hoka turns out to be a guy at the Red Cup tailgate because no female could be this cool?

by MattSaracen on Oct 16, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real queen

ditto what matt just said, maybe a wager over a bottle of…I don’t know….kraken is in order here, somebody better have some pics

by ghostofbillybrewer on Oct 16, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

hey juco!

i pulled some strings and got you that six points you asked for. i guess saban was feeling generous and threw in the extra point for free.

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by kleph on Oct 16, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to volunteer to write hate week this week.

Unless one of y’all has already been working on something.

Considering changing my name to RebelBlackBearsConception

by ColRebsLastBreath on Oct 16, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Go right ahead.

I’ve got some other things in mind but, please, by all means.

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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 16, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I already have mine written up if you're interested.

Mine’s probably not funny though. Actually, it’s kind of sad. I actually CRIED writing it.

Fucking Arkansas…bastards.

Dude, I like Katy Perry and watch "Glee." I’m pretty much a lost fucking cause.

by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Oct 16, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Posted as a FanPost

After some quick copyediting.

Dude, I like Katy Perry and watch "Glee." I’m pretty much a lost fucking cause.

by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Oct 16, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone know

After the game in locker room someone cursing throwing shit around what that was all about..I know sound and fury, signifying nothing..

by hotstove97 on Oct 16, 2011 11:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

It was DT Shackelford...

During the post game interview on the radio you heard something along the lines of, “I’m sick and tired of losing!!” and a trash can was then beaten into a locker from what I understand.

I wish we had more guys like him. He doesn’t deserve this. He is by far the most talented player on this team and wants to win more than anyone and he is being forced to sit out a year due to his injury. I truly hate it for him.

I hope he comes back next year under a new coaching staff and can lead this defense back to the dominance we had several years ago.

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by The Book of Eli on Oct 17, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was thinking,

if DT heals properly and well, he and Marry will have to be one of the better linebacking duos in the nation next season. Then I remembered that Marry will probably get WAOM’d this off-season, so I’m not even going to bother prognosticating about 2012.

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by Mexter Dccluster on Oct 17, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

NEXT SEASON!!!!!!!!!

i feel like i’ve been in the “next season” mentality my whole life. some people enjoy national titles, we enjoy “NEXT YEAR WE’LL BE KICKIN AZZ

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by Sideline Snead on Oct 17, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally,

I was proud for getting to the middle of this season before invoking talk of the next season.

"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf

by Mexter Dccluster on Oct 17, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wasnt calling you out for saying that..

it just reminded me of a conversation i had this weekend in the grove. i just feel like 9 out of 10 times, i find myself thinking “it’s a rebuilding year.. next year will be good real good.” after discussing it, we decided that, hell, maybe we aren’t ever going to be good, real good.

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by Sideline Snead on Oct 17, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm right there with you

Usually I’m looking forward to the next season before we get to October…which I guess I secretly was after the Vandy loss.

In that same vein, it’s also the reason the SEC is such a unified conference. I remember everyone chanting SEC in the waning minutes of the 2009 Cotton Bowl against TT.

I think what we’re really saying is “Just in case you didn’t know, we’d be better if we weren’t going down murderer’s row each week”. Either that or “Just remember Tech fans, when we go 3-9 at some point in the near future, it’s not because we suck worse than y’all, but because we’re in a tough conference”.

I need the SEC to do good so I can rationalize our terrible on-the-field performance. But after a 52-7 loss-Alabama or not-I’m over it.

"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to."-Gandalf

by Mexter Dccluster on Oct 17, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what's completely, utterly and inexcusably pathetic about this post?

The fact that a fucking PLAYER had the emotional outburst after that infected hemorrhoid rape of a game specifically because he’s smart enough to realize that we are losing because of said “coaching”.

by OxpatchReb on Oct 17, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was one of the unlucky ones to see this game live. I’m not exactly certain what needs to happen or where we need to go from this point. I do feel like we need to gut the coaching staff (except G. Brewer) and remove P. Boone. As much as I hate to say this, I feel like we will never have the recruits to win a NC…..unless, we began winning on a consistent basis and then many yrs down the road we may acquire the right amount of talent at the right time. We need an innovative, energized and hard nosed coach. Nutt is too soft spoken and as of recent, shows no emotion or energy. I feel like the admin. is content with where we are. We’ve been selling out the stadium and the Forward Rebels program is ahead of schedule. So why should they make any drastic changes? I think from here on out…ill be watching the game from the Grove…at least until next season.

by TD's and Beer on Oct 17, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Nutt has definitely lost something.

But one reason why the crowd was so big is because Bama fans came in droves (yeah I was there too). I expect the same thing to happen against Arkansas this week. The real test will be LA Tech, because they won’t have fans who buy all the tickets up Ole Miss fans are dumping. At this rate I’ll be shocked if 25,000 people show up for that game.

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by Wild Rebel on Oct 17, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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