Tuesday Question: Bigger Waste of Talent?
Generally, we are the "authors" of "content" around here - "here" being a blog and not a message board. Recognize, we do, that you've come here not to contribute, but to consume. Nevertheless, there is the sporadic occasion where, either for our benefit or for to exercise the thinkifiers of the masses, we ask you a question. Today's question is ...
Which alleged rebel "playmaker" was a bigger waste of talent: Brentis "Brent" Schaeffer or Gremico "Mico" McSwain?
When Ed Orgeron convinced then five-star JUCO quarterback Brent Schaeffer to sign with Ole Miss, I literally woke people up due to my excitement. When Mico McSwain became a young phenom of a halfback who could break plays wide open, setting the Rebel record for rushing yards in a freshman season in 2005, I changed the lyrics of "Go Rebs Go" to "Go Mi Co."
I tend to do goofy things. Deal.
So there was the hype and the excitement. And, then.... nothing happened.
For those of you who don't remember, Mico McSwain electrified our fan base with runs like this...
In 2005, during his freshman season, Mico accumulated 612 rushing yards on just 124 carries. That's 4.9 yards per carry; and excellent statistic for an otherwise anemic offense. A season later, he had only 27 carries for 140 yards at 5.2 yards per carry. The next year, he was gone due to academic problems. For a couple of years, Mico was seen around Oxford racing his motorcycle and generally doing nothing. Mico then somehow wound up at the University of North Alabama where he did this...
Mico is a strange case because of his exceptional production as a freshman followed by a dearth of carries the following season. In 2006, Mico's sophomore year, the Rebels were one big offensive play away from beating Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, and LSU. Yet we sat our second biggest playmaker (remember, we had Dexter McCluster then) on the bench. Why? What did he do to get in Orgeron's doghouse?
Regardless, Mico is just one in a long line of many promising footballers to never live up to their potential in Oxford. It is quite fitting that his "career" ended just as another epic letdwn's began.
Brent Schaeffer was a highly heralded junior college recruit with offers from programs all over the country. He signed with Ole Miss mainly because Ed Orgeron promised to use him as a pro-style quarterback of the USC mold, something upon with Schaeffer was very much set. After all, he wanted to be prepared for his long, prosperous career in the NFL and stuff, right?
In his first Rebel season, Schaeffer completed just 47% of his passes, threw more interceptions than touchdowns, and didn't hit the 1,500 yard mark as a passer despite starting every single game and throwing 244 of the team's 280 passes. The next season saw Schaeffer lose his starting job to former walk-on quarterback and MPSA All-Star Seth Adams. Schaeffer barely played during the entire season, but when the writing was on the wall (writing which most likely said "HEY ED ORGERON YOU ARE SO FIRED ONCE WE GET OFF OF THIS BENDER"), the coaches decided to plug in wide receiver coach Hugh Freeze's spread offense to take on the LSU tigers. Fitting this offense more appropriately was Schaeffer, since he would be much more useful in zone-read situations than the pro-style Adams. The decision to play this style of offense resulted in an offensive onslaught on the stingy to-be-national-champions LSU Tiger defense. LSU allowed 466 yards to the Rebels that day, and a lot of it came from Schaeffer. Brent's stat line for the day? 208 passing yards. 94 rushing yards. Turnovers and redzone woes doomed the Rebels that day, but at the very least we faithful followers of the Crimson and Navy saw just what type of player we had on our roster all along.
Schaeffer didn't have a prolific imapct on the next game--an embarrassing Egg Bowl loss that ended Ed Orgeron's career as a head coach--but many have wondered what might have been had the right offense for Brent been used during the entire season.
Brent Schaeffer's mother A fan of Schaeffer put together this highlight reel from his entire time in college. Watch it if you want. I didn't.
So, now that you're informed... Who was the bigger waste of talent? Who failed to live up to their potential the most? And, pray, do tell whether or not you think these flops were the result of the players themselves or the coaches.
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Mico...bigger waste of talent...Schaeffer...couldn't live up to hype
I remember Mico and his D’Mac-ish type break out plays..I was a sophomore that year and I remember his electric playmaking was the bright spot in O’s pathetic coaching attempt and the primary drunken hoo-rahs during gameday. Then poof…like a fart…gone with the wind?
Schaeffer wasn’t a bigger waste of talent because he had the opportunity to prove himself and pave his own path..Mico couldn’t harness his potential by being a collegiate off the field. Thus, Mico…bigger waste of talent (either by his own faults or Coach O’h damn I suck at coaching)
by Geaux To Hell LSU on Jun 22, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Schaeffer was a waste of talent by the coaching staff.
You think a guy like Houston Nutt wouldn’t have gotten some serious production out of Brent’s talents?
The real Mico McSwain
First off let me start by saying this for someone to even ask a question like who’s a bigger waste of talent needs to ask themselves this #1 have or did i ever play a snap of college football in my life? #2 Do or did i even meet these ppl tht im talking about to know their character? or even do i know wht might have been going on in their personal life like famliy? Now let me answer these questions in my defense the reason i know tht you didnt play or play a snap of college football is bc i played and i remeber my teammates and who ever you r i dont know you. i cant speak for Brent im speaking for myself and #2 no you dont know me you might know of me but ou dont know me. Last but not least no you dont or did you know wht was goin on with me with my personal life, bc first off at the time i was there when i lefted ole miss i was dealing with the deaths of ppl tht were really close to me like for starters my lil brother. So to who or whom this may concern before you talk about or try to bash someone for there talents or whatever for that matter think about it this way everyones story or paths or not always happy or they way tht they planed it should be. bc first off almost every year tht i was at ole miss i had a different coach and true enough coach O didnt show me any love but its all good bc God didnt want me to go about tht route to get to where i am now. So if you want to talk about something talk about tht and for your info im playing with th Titans now. an still working hard just like i did at ole miss to become the person i am and was there at ole miss i love ole miss and still rep. ole miss bc thts my school as well so have a nice day haters hotty totty!!!!!!!
by mico mcswain on Jun 25, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That's Right
Mico you do not have to respond to stuff like this. For someone to sit back and measure your past accomplishments in such a skeptical way. Saying that you were a “waste of talent”. It’s obvious that he is not paying any attention to your present situation with Tennessee. He’s an idiot. The world has not even seen what you are about to accomplish. Im looking forward to seeig you do great things. “Tunnel Vision” my friend. Congrats! R. Hines
So if this really is Mico, answer me this...
Is the original post incorrect?
Taking into account facts only. Simple, honest, facts. YPC, total yards, receptions, total yards from scrimmage.
There is no mention in the original post about what kind of man you are, or were. There is no mention of how you take your tea. There’s no mention of how you handle conflict. There’s no mention of how you live your life, period. There IS mention of how you were presented with the opportunity to succeed at a DI, SEC school and that you did not do so. Not that it was all your fault. Trust me, anyone and everyone with eyes and a brain knows that O was a massive, colossal fuck up who stores his intelligence from the brain stem down. The only thing the fans have to go on is what they see on JP Sports on Saturdays in the fall and what they are offered at VH on those same afternoons. I don’t think it’s your place to berate people for “not knowing you or your personal struggles” when truthfully, it’s none of their business. Your personal struggles are your own, and the rest of us are not, nor should we ever be, involved in your personal life. From a fans perspective, you failed to take advantage of what could have been a very, very good opportunity for you. That’s what the original post was about.
Had the original post been a personal attack on your character, or life style, or personal choices, then you have every right to stand up and bitch slap the punks. But in this case, I fear that you have mis-interpreted the original post as an attack on you personally. Trust me, the only thing OM fans want for all past, present and future players is success. Both here at school and in the pros. Don’t you see how an OM fan might look at your performance at UNA as a “what should have been” at OM? How can you begrudge an OM fan the feeling that you SHOULD have been playing that way for us? If anything, the original post laments the fact that a culmination of different, terrible, awful circumstances caused you to miss out on what could have been an amazing career at OM. If your head wasn’t right due to personal stuff, that sucks. The fact that you’re doing better now is great. But it doesn’t change the fact that some fans may feel cheated that you weren’t the player we all hoped you’d be while you were here. That’s it.
In the same vein, we have a current player, battling his own personal demons, trying to make something of his life and this opportunity. He is struggling with it, badly. We ALL want him to make the right choices, turn his life around and become a success, both on field and off. BUT, if he does NOT make the right decisions, and fails to capitalize on the opportunities God has placed before him, his life will NOT be better for it. And that makes fans sad. Sad for his missed opportunities, sad for the skills he’ll never learn, sad for the development he’ll never gain, sad for the success he’ll never experience and worst of all, sad for the hell his life might become. And in 5 or 10 years, we might look back on his time here and wonder what might have been if he could have gotten away from the bad influences in his life in South Panola. What if he had been able to recover from his problem. What if he had been able to keep his head right and develop his God given raw talent to become a truly great CB? What if he had graduated from an SEC university with a degree and a road map for personal growth and familial success?
And when we DO look back, and discuss what he could have been, it’s not because we’re angry with him, or resentful of him, or hateful towards him. It’ll be because we wish his life had turned out differently. That’s not to say that yours hasn’t turned out well, because it sounds like you have handled your life well and taken the situations you were given, learned from those and become a success measured by more than YPC and signing bonuses. I applaud you. But don’t try to make us feel like dicks because we wish you had set rushing records at OM. It’s all we have.
Or, I could be totally wrong. This blog might just be filled with slack jawed, diaper wearing, vindictive fist fuckers who really are trying to hurt your feelings…
by OxpatchReb on Jun 29, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It wasn't a shot at you or your talents
If anything, the very premise of the question in the original post was a shot at the coaching staff when you and Brent were at Ole Miss.
Congrats and good luck in Nashville.
Wait...
So you’re saying that it’s possible that a 5-star JUCO QB (who started his career at an SEC East school before being jettisoned by the coach at said school) won’t live up to the hype? Don’t tell our friends in Auburn.
Okay, that was off-topic. Carry on.
by dxf04 on Jun 22, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
for astute observation.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 22, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Are we expecting...
… this same phenomenon with Mackey?
by Nerd the Rebel on Jun 22, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
I'm not a superstitious person. I'm just not.
but if I was I would say that you are the equivalent of the guy talking about the no-no in the dugout, you’re the guy that steps on the foul lines taking the field, you my friend, are the RCR’s Scotty Smalls.
Mackey hasn't been prematurely named a starter or anything stupid like that.
So no.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 22, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
RUHKROOTS READ THESE BOARDS!!11!!1!!
And if they see us downing our former players, they’re not going to want to join the Rebel family. Come on guys! Let’s support our former Rebels instead of trashing them!!!!! Hotty Toddy!!!!
I don't see it like that
after all, they just have to look at the seasons these guys were playing for Ole Miss to see that we’re mostly right in what we’re saying about them.
If anything, this should motivate recruits to work hard so they don’t become another B-Schaef or Mico.
And here's a lighthouse keeper being beheaded by a laser beam!
And for you like i said in the top post your not right bc i didnt nore have i wasted my talent i dont know wht Brent is doing but im continuing to work hard and as for motivating kids i do tht everyday bc my stuggles to get here is motivating for kids to keep pushing and to never give up on there dreams bc im a living witness tht through everything tht comes your way and n matter wht ppl say about you keep striving to make it so when you stay dont be another Mico think about it im where alot of ppl never have the opputunity to be. And your kids might come home one day and stay i want to be just like Mico then wht you goin to say Mico made it to the NFL i dont want to be like him lol boy ppl today are something smh!
by mico mcswain on Jun 25, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Hi, Mico.
Welcome.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 29, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, no one is "kicking you when you're down".
As you pointed out before, you are no longer down. You’ve played your way into the NFL. Obviously, you ARE and always have been a talented football player. NFL teams do not waste roster spots on empty heads or pads. But the combination of an awful, turrible coach and your own personal problems combined to cut your possibly brilliant career at OM short. And that’s regrettable, don’t you agree?
THANKS at least we have some ole miss ppl tht dont kick former players in the face when their down! And yes HOTTY TODDY!!!!!!!
by mico mcswain on Jun 25, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Would it be fair to say that Mico wasted his talents?
Maybe all of his troubles came after the ‘breakout’ freshman year but am not certain on the timing of his actions.
And you certainly have to blame the coaching staff for misusing Schaeffer – tried to put a square peg into a round hole. Saw what he could have done at times the last couple games of his senior season.
Mico is playing in the NFL and Brent is not.
Bigger waste of talent? Looks like that distinction goes to the Shiv.
Mico
If that’s actually you…
I wasn’t insulting you at all. I think you were excellent. What I’m saying is that the coaches didn’t use you the way that they should have. You were too good to be riding the bench as a sophomore.
The same goes for Schaeffer. I think he had a lot of talent. He was just used the wrong way.
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by Juco All-American on Jun 29, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions

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