Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Most Dangerous Division in Sports

The SEC West Home Stretch

[ED: Sutpens does a bangup job of looking at the rest of the West and seeing just where they stand and just what the Rebels need to do to claim the sole lead in said division and hang onto it. Also, there's a funny screen cap of ANGRY DOUCHE MODE BRIAN WALKER GRRR which, itself, is worthy of bein' frontpag'd. Take it away, Sutpens.]

                            4581907751_8ab0a74feb_medium

Attempting to handicap the SEC West with seven conference series played and three to go is, without a doubt, a fool's errand. I pour over the schedules, the records, the numbers, the reality that very likely five West teams will be in Hoover anyway, and think: "Right up my alley." Fool reporting for duty, errands run for tips.  Obviously, there’s a lot more at stake than seeding in Hoover – RPI, hosting a regional and possibly hosting a super. Arkansas, by all accounts, has the inside track for a top 8 national seed, with Ole Miss, once out of the discussion, now something of a long shot.  As a commenter recently said, all the Rebels have to do is close the regular season on a 20-game winning streak. If that’s all we have to do, take heart: we’re halfway there. 

Star-divide

The current lay of the land and the road ahead  -

Ole Miss and Arkansas are tied for the division lead, each with a record of 14-7. The winner of this weekend’s series will plainly be in the catbird seat for the SEC West crown; a sweep by either team would almost seal the deal, and an unlikely Rebel sweep would be a giant step toward hosting a super-regional (but with a lot of work remaining to be done). Auburn is two games back and LSU one behind them, and neither can be counted out. With Arkansas and Auburn coming to Oxford within the next couple of weeks, Ole Miss controls its own destiny:  all the Rebels have to do is keep winning.

The Rebels have won 5 conference series, sweeping 2, and losing 2 without being swept; the Razorbacks have won 4 series, sweeping 3, and losing 3 without being swept. Ole Miss and Arkansas have played 5 common SEC opponents thus far: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU and MSU. The Rebels are a healthy 12-3 against those teams, while Arkansas is only 9-5. Ole Miss is hot, riding a conference leading ten-game winning streak. At times like these, Rebels have learned to wonder: how long can it last?  Well, as long as Drew continues (mostly) to own Friday night, we keep hitting and cobbling together sufficient Saturday and Sunday pitching...and the Baseball Gods keep looking the other way. Who knows? But of the Rebs’ last 3 SEC series, they play the toughest 2, Arkansas (5/7) and Auburn (5/20) at home, with Alabama on the road (5/14).

                                                     Tn_brian-walker-arkansas-baseball-number-21_medium

After a very strong start (including a recent 13 game winning streak), Arkansas, which, as you may have heard, comes to Oxford this weekend, MAY have finally begun to cool. Or not. And as the head-to-head comparison suggests, they may not be quite as good as their news clippings suggest. The Hogs are a really good - and dangerous - team, sporting a sure enough (if under-praised) Friday night ace in Drew Smyly (7-0; 2.19 ERA) and the league's  best hitter (Zack Cox, .443 after 185 at bats).   But the Hogs have dropped their last two SEC series, to Auburn, at home in Fayettenam this past weekend, and to Florida on the road the week before. They probably feel like they have something (else) to prove. Until the most recent series loss to Auburn the Razorbacks were a consensus Top 8 seed -- and odds are they can still bring home the bacon. But their schedule is not their friend: the Hogs have to play at Oxford (5/7) and Vandy (5/14) -- and then host South Carolina (5/20) to close the season. [The Gamecocks are the only SEC team to have won all 7 conference series they’ve played thus far].

Gfx_php_medium

The Auburn High Tigers

Auburn, at two games back of Ole Miss and Arkansas, may actually be in a pretty good position. Auburn is 12-9 in conference play, having won 4 series (1 sweep) and lost 3 (no sweeps). Common opponents played thus far are Georgia, Kentucky, LSU and South Carolina. Both Ole Miss and Auburn are 8-4 against those teams. The plains-war-tiger-eagles do travel to Oxford (5/20), but otherwise will play in front of (small) home crowds against MSU (5/7) and Tennessee (5/14). Of course, we know that the Dawgs can usually hit [though not against JSU], even if they can't pitch or field, and  playing Tennessee is not always everything it's cracked up to be,  especially with UT's shot at Hoover on the line – presently one game behind Alabama for the 8-seed. Still, I like Auburn's remaining schedule; they are pounding the ball (No. 1 in the SEC in team batting average, slugging percentage, OBP, hits, runs, home runs, etc., etc.) – and they have recently found some pitching. And they're hungry. Quality conference wins: The Plains Tigers have won series against the Bayou Tigers (before we knew they would spread their legs for everyone) and Arkansas at Baum.

                                           4558207307_32f0be7a6f_medium

LSU. While we have already taken care of our business with LSU, we may want to keep an eye on them over our shoulder. Oh my, what to say? The defending national & co-SEC champs, still stocked with great talent, look like paper tigers after having been successively undressed by the Rebs (x3), the soon-to-be Div. III Privateers and the Gators (x3). Limping along now at 4th place in the SEC West, it would still be a mistake to count these guys out. We know this is a very good team whose confidence was temporarily shaken by three very close - and heartbreaking - losses to Ole Miss. If they can pull their heads out of their asses - and I think they can - they can finish strong and hit Hoover on a roll. Vandy  (10-9; likely 12-9 had Mother Nature not canceled 2 games vs. Georgia this past weekend) is the cream of LSU’s remaining conference competition, and the Tigers get them at home (5/7) before traveling to Lexington (5/14) and then finishing off MSU in Baton Rouge (5/20).

Large_alabama_20vs

Alabama is 9-12 in conference play, 5th in the West and 8th overall in the SEC. They have Florida at home (5/7), Ole Miss at home (5/14) and finish at Tennessee (5/20) – possibly with a trip to Hoover on the line in the last series. Alabama has no realistic shot at No. 1 in the West – that would require [almost ] running the table and simultaneous collapses by Ole Miss, Arkansas and Auburn.  The Rebs and Tide have played 4 common opponents:  Kentucky, LSU, MSU and South Carolina. Ole Miss is 9-3 against those opponents, Bama just 5-7. The Tide can certainly be had, even swept at home - but make no mistake:  the Tide certainly have the ability to spoil our tea party. 

[ED: And, as for State, they suck. Hard. No worries there.]

My prediction as to how all this plays out:

Ole Miss goes 6-3 in remaining conference play, ending up No. 1 in the West at 20-10 [and I’m being objective, I swear]; Arkansas finishes 5-4, 19-11 in the SEC; 16-12; LSU closes the gap but falls short, going 7-2, finishing at 18-12, tied for 3rd place in the West; Auburn goes 6-3 down the stretch, and ends up tied with LSU at 18-12; Alabama goes 3-6 or 4-5.

Fasten your seatbelts!

800px-ole_miss_panoramic_medium

This post is a Red Cup Rebellion FanPost. Please don't sue us.

Comment 34 comments  |  1 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

You are correct.

We control our own destiny. If we were able to take 2 from Arkansas, 2 from Auburn, and 1 from Alabama, it would be difficult to lose the West. We would have the tiebreaker over the other contenders, so it would require LSU to go 9-0 or Arkansas to go 5-1 against South Carolina and Vanderbilt (Auburn would be out).

Last year we needed a sweep at Arkansas the final weekend. We got it, but let’s make it a little easier for ourselves this year.

by weloveum on May 5, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice write-up...

like the analysis a lot. I agree- I think we should go 6-3 in these last nine games. Honestly, I will be a little disappointed if we finish any worse than that. I don’t think it is expecting too much for us to win each of these last three series. I don’t know about sweeping any of them, though it could happen. Of course, having said that, we will probably crash and burn and finish 3-6 or something ridiculous.

by bball1984 on May 5, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Now, now...

Do not slip into that self-defeating negative attitude. Ole Miss has had its slump this season. 6-3 or 5-4 is worst that happens before Hoover. I have no idea if that will be enough because, unlike Sutpens, I cannot accurately predict the future. In the same distant weekend he once correctly
prognosticated: 1. OM win at Tiger Stadium; 2. That if I didn’t shut my mouth I was going to get into a fight; 3. My arrest; 4. That he wouldn’t have enough $$$ to bail me out; AND , 5. A certain pregnancy. I kid you not. Of course, he’s wrong all the time, too.

I didn't come here to be nice.

by No Quarter on May 5, 2010 11:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Everybody saw that coming...

except the pregnancy, and he was wrong about the responsible party. As for the baseball I think Sut’s about right, though God knows how he got there. I heard his bullshit (47 texts) all through the State series and you woulda thought the world was ending. Just sayin’.

the nervous light of Sunday

by A Fan's Notes on May 6, 2010 1:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We need this

especially since State seems determined to lose every game the rest of the season. Both Auburn and LSU have legitimate chances of sweeping State the way they are currently playing. Additionally States losses yesterday to JSU 3-1 and today to USM 14-3, have hurt their RPI enough to decrease our RPI from 17 after this weekends sweep to 18 as of today. This puts increased importance on taking the series from Arkansas and Auburn to help maintain our chances at a regional hosting.

by Jalakin on May 5, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen.

Bulldogs have figured out only way they can now hurt TSUN is by throwing rest of season into crapper. And while I’m no prognosticator, mark my words: they will do it.

I didn't come here to be nice.

by No Quarter on May 6, 2010 12:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thursday kind of just drunkenly snuck up on me.

I’ll do my absolute VERY best to have your hate by tonight.

But I have a date.

Hoes before Hecklin’ if it comes down to it.

by Sneak a Leak on May 6, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

PEE ESS:

Totally not actually meant to be derogatory. ABSOLUTELY a joke on that last part.

Please don’t politically corrucify me.

by Sneak a Leak on May 6, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

No worries from this Quarter.

Fan & I were simply employing satire last night at Pres. Jackson’s expense.

NOTE TO PAJ: the title of this comment is an example of a “clever pun” (See Cinco de Mayo thread).

I didn't come here to be nice.

by No Quarter on May 6, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

for multi-threat grammar hate

by the_drake on May 6, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You may not care, but ...

that pic is of Auburn High School. (And you also may not care about this, but while I’m here, if you do care about Pythagorean win-loss SEC play, I bothered. Warning: the Pythag is not kind to the Rebels.)

by JCCW Jerry on May 6, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sorry,

but we don’t need any Pythagorean win-loss to send our season into the tank. We are more than capable of handling that ourselves. We are Ole Miss by damn!

by bovice on May 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You spoiled the party!

I was going to link that up tomorrow. I just read it and really enjoyed it.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on May 6, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, Ghost

But after screwing around with all those damn calculations—I majored in English, dammit—I couldn’t resist the plug after already commenting on the photo. It’s too much math for me to resist sharing.

I probably should have made it more clear in the post, though, that 21 games is a tiny, tiny sample size in baseball—it’s quite, quite possible Ole Miss will just win, like, five more one-run games and the SEC title and the Pythag never balances out.

by JCCW Jerry on May 6, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet flawed bullshit Auburn propaganda...

Ghost, be sure when you link it up in order to save yourself from writing original content, while sipping guilt-tinged Séptimo de Mayo margaritas, that you point out that what you are linking is Flawed Bullshit Auburn Propaganda.

PS – If you need to crib a bit more to fill the Friday page quota, take a look at Cocknfire’s fresh piece at Team Speed Kills.

¡Saludo!

I didn't come here to be nice.

by No Quarter on May 6, 2010 11:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Of course I care...

so much so that my depiction of the high school team was intentional. I actually had a caption under it that read “The Auburn High Tigers” that got dropped in the move to the front page. It was a slam, JCCW.

As I understand Pythagorean win-loss – which is hardly at all – it attempts to calculate the number of wins and losses a team “should” have had based on the number of runs scored and allowed by a team. I don’t think it says anything about what will happen in the future, apart from assuming a continuation of the trend. The article you linked was interesting, but I draw a different conclusion from it: Auburn’s PWL is 13.873 vs. actual wins of 12; OM’s PWL is 11.136 vs. actual wins of 14. That tells me that Auburn is a chronic under-performer and Ole Miss is a chronic over-performer. Now, that is a trend I fully expect to continue the weekend of May 20-22….not based on mathematics, but on my trusted crystal ball.

Eschew obfuscation.

by sutpens100 on May 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah.

It would have made more sense with the caption. Sorry.

Re: Pythag, well, you’ve got the right idea that it calculates what a team’s record “should” be. But most statheads would say that to the extent that we can predict the future at all, Pythag does a better job of it than straight W-L. What you (and many other critics of Pythag) are calling over or under performance I (and again, most stat geeks) would call luck. And we might expect that luck to balance out over time. As an example you might enjoy, consider Miss. St.‘s final two years under Croom; in 2007 they got lucky, won all their close games, and Croom was a genius, but in 2008 the pendulum swung the other way, MSU lost all their close games, and Croom was exposed as the rather terrible coach he always was. The baseball Rebels are now 8-0 in games decided by two games or less; over the course of a larger number of games, we’d expect their record in games that close (and decided by one swing of the bat here, one error there) to even out a bit.

As I said above, it hardly guarantees that it’s going to even out this week, the week after, or even the week after that. But generally speaking, yes, I’d take the team with the better Pythag over the one with the better record.

by JCCW Jerry on May 6, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Pythagoras didn't play baseball.

Even so, I wouldn’t consider myself a critic of PWL, just one who knows that numbers (which don’t lie) can be made to support or debunk almost any argument. And I do call over-performance by its real name, luck – which is incredibly important in baseball, as are streaks (hot and cold), momentum, confidence, raucus home crowds. As you pointed out in your article and above, PWL is not especially useful for telling us what will happen next; it is an excellent indicator over a long stretch of games, say, an entire season. I’ll demonstrate a couple of the flaws, using Auburn and Ole Miss as examples.

Generally speaking, yes, I’d take the team with the better Pythag over the one with the better record.

Ok, fair enough, but take them in what? Do you mean in a single game or to take the series? If you view the Auburn and Ole Miss PWL ratios and apply them to each of the 3 games in the series separately, you must pick Auburn to win all 3 games. Similarly, because Arkansas’ PWL is also higher than Ole Miss’, in picking a winner in each of the 3 games in that series one game at a time, you must also pick Arkansas to win each of those games. So Pythagoras [really Bill James] tells us that Ole Miss will be swept in these 6 critical games – all played at Swayze Field – which is patently ridiculous. I’m not saying that can’t happen, but it is not at all likely, and few people would take that bet. PWL really just doesn’t get you very far when trying to pick a winner in a series of head to head matchups.

Now, for the sake of argument, allow me to play with the numbers just a bit. The key component of PWL is the runs scored vs. runs allowed ratio, which yields the Pythagorean winning percentage, which is then compared to the actual winning percentage. Ole Miss suffers in the PWL rankings in your article [at No. 6, with runs scored (136) vs. runs allowed (128); by the way, you have these numbers reversed in your article, but it appears that you got your math right] in large part because of . . . the Sunday Curse. As you know, Ole Miss lost on six successive Sundays in the middle of the season, but we didn’t just lose those games; for the most part we lost those games big. Four of those games were SEC games, the only games considered in your article. The Rebs were outscored on those 4 Sundays 41-13, a whopping (-28) deficit. Even so, Ole Miss won 3/4 of these series. Over the next 3 Sundays, Ole Miss won every game and outscored its opponents 31-21 (+10), and winning 2/3 of the series. One coulld argue that this aberration alone establishes that using the the Rebels’ PWL ranking would be a foolhardy way to pick a winner in any future contest.

But there’s more. Let’s look at Auburn’s exalted No. 2 PWL ranking – which is largely the product of several hugely lopsided wins. To begin with, Auburn has scored 173 runs and allowed only 124 in SEC play, giving it a (49) differential. That differential is responsible for its high PWL ranking. Now let’s consider the Georgia series: in those 3 wins, Auburn outscored the Bulldogs 43-9, accounting for fully 32 points of the (49) differential. While it wouldn’t be exactly right to arbitrarily throw those games out, if we were to do that, Auburn’s PWL would look very similar to Ole Miss’. Frankly, after having been driven by you to study Auburn’s wins, losses, runs, runs allowed, etc. much more closely than I previously had done, what I see is a wildly inconsistent team that can pile up a huge number of runs on occasion. My point is that the fact that Auburn can pound Georgia into the Stone Age like it did does not convince me that it is the second best team in the league, as PWL rankings would suggest.

By the way, I fixed the caption. I think your article is fascinating. I still think Auburn comes in 3rd or 4th in the SEC West. We’ll see you in Hoover – and I hope the Tide watches on television.

Eschew obfuscation.

by sutpens100 on May 6, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We both agree

on that last point.

As regards the rest of it, I’d “take” Auburn in their remaining series. Yeah, I think we’re going to win two in Oxford and sweep at least one of the MSU/UT series. It’s hardly a guarantee, but do I think its the most likely outcome? Yep.

You’re right that game-to-game Auburn has tended to be inconsistent, but series-to-series they’ve been pretty steady—they’ve outscored their last four opponents on the weekend and have only been outscored once (Week 2, Carolina, by 4.) You’re right that the UGA series is an outlier, but the schedule hasn’t given Auburn a chance to play the other two bottom-of-the-barrel teams just yet. (Ole Miss, I have to point out, has already played all three.) In general, I’d respond that every inning counts—Sunday, not-Sunday, vs. Georgia, vs. whoever. If we start making exceptions, then the whole exercise is useless—and I don’t think it’s useless.

In terms of predictive value, I’ve said before it might be anyways. But I’m hoping it’s not.

by JCCW Jerry on May 7, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I meant to tell you

that I really did appreciate your Croom example. I agree that Auburn probably comes out its MSU & Tenn series at 5-1. I wouldn’t rule out 6-0. My 6-3 prediction for Auburn was based on 3-0 vs MSU, 2-1 vs Tenn, & 1-2 vs OM – but there are plenty of other ways to get to 6-3. While I don’t [today] think Auburn takes the series in Oxford, my real point above was that they probably do not win the SEC West. I believe it will take 19-20 wins to secure that spot, and Auburn has a 2-game deficit. If they can go 8-1in the last 3 series, that’s a whole different deal.

Eschew obfuscation.

by sutpens100 on May 7, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

If there’s one thing I had in common with Rebel fans in the middle part of this decade, it’s the belief that Croom was always in over his head. Not that I don’t appreciate him beating ’Bama twice in two years—that was fun—but his teams were always held together with spit and bailing wire.

I’m thinking 7-2 for Auburn and a race to the wire for the West—it won’t surprise me at all if the final game of the regular season in Oxford is winner-take-all for both the division and a home Regional. But Auburn does face an uphill climb given the two-game deficit.

by JCCW Jerry on May 7, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

7-2 is my optimistic prediction

is the SEC finish I see coming for the Rebs. It will be enough to earn us at least some attention for a national seed, and with a win or two in the tournament we will get it.

by 4UmRebs on May 6, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Changing the culture of Ole Miss Rebel athletics.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

10728_1153363316254_3808937_n_small
MLB Rebels (Week 6)
8b0726ecf3b3e299b1fbdfefb4ec9922_small
What is former OL, Rishaw Johnson up to? (Now with the Seahawks)
10728_1153363316254_3808937_n_small
MLB Rebels (Week 4)
Bearhunt_small
Ole Miss Rebel Baseball: The Season so Far
Small
The Spring Game Up North
Small
New Verbal Commitment: JUCO DT Marquel Combs
10728_1153363316254_3808937_n_small
MLB Rebels (week 3)
Small
Hey BrandonBP, please respond.
Bearhunt_small
Ole Miss Rebel Baseball: Minor Leagues
Small
Texas A&M needs to retake Geography 101

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >