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How Much of a Threat is Boise State?

With the speculation of a to-be-planned (t'was finalized as I typed this) future home-opener against the Boise State Broncos in the fall of 2011 hitting Rebel message boards, there seems to be a great schism amongst the "bring 'em on," "omg i is skared," and "BRANG BACK DA KERNEL" camps regarding such a possibility the game. On the one hand, they say, we should welcome any and all opponents. Yet, on the other hand, Boise's good and, combined with an SEC schedule, that's a tall order to fill.

Much is made of the Gem State's--yes, Idaho is the Gem State, not the "Potato State"--premier football program, and with good reason. Boise State has, since 1999, amassed a staggering 108-20 record, the best in college football during said timespan. Furthermore, they have established Bronco Stadium as one of the nation's most advantageous home fields, losing there only once over the past five seasons. Ever since their shocking upset of the Oklahoma Sooners in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl, Boise State, along with teams like Utah and TCU, have made names for themselves as smaller-yet-dangerous programs. Their successes have even caused casual football fans, bloggeurs, and mainstream "expert analysts" to seriously question the legitimacy of college football and its championship as we know it.

But, is this realistic?

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Let me get this out there: Boise State, Utah, TCU, and other so-called "BCS Busters" are good football programs. They are dangerous, talented, well-coached and undeniably capable of beating the Oklahomas and Alabamas of the college football universe. But they are not the world-beating, paradigm-shifting, perennially underappreciated programs the ESPNs of the world would have you believe.

Let's look at Boise State over the past aforementioned decade--the most successful of such in college football, remember--and see how much BCS they're actually busting.

As stated previously, Boise State has won 108 games and lost 20 since 1999. Of those 128 football games, 17 have come against BCS opponents. Of those 17 games, a mere 13% of Boise's schedule (which seems about right when you consider their one BCS game a year outside of bowl games against non-TCU opponents), Boise has won six. Yes, they are therefore a paltry 6-11 against BCS opponents in their decade of prominance. Those sixwins came when, against, where, and to the scores of:

  • 2003, Iowa State in Boise, 34-16 (Humanitarian Bowl)
  • 2004, Oregon State in Boise, 53-34
  • 2006, Oregon State in Boise, 42-14
  • 2007, Oklahoma in Tempe (Fiesta Bowl), 43-42 OT
  • 2008 Oregon in Eugene, 37-32
  • 2009 Oregon in Boise, 19-8 (Lagarette Blount'd!)

Notice, that out of those six wins, only two came when Boise State wasn't actually playing in Bronco Stadium, both being very close contests. Granted, I am still impressed with anybody who can beat Oregon in Eugene (which is, per a friend of mine who played Pac-10 football, "the most intimidating stadium on the west coast"); but beating Oklahoma in a BCS bowl isn't that spectacular, especially when it's a 9-3 Oklahoma team you need fourth-quarter heroics and the wackiest plays in the book to squek by in overtime.

Now, their BCS losses over the same timespan and in identical fashion:

  • 1999, UCLA in Los Angeles, 7-38
  • 2000, Arkansas in Little Rock, 31-38
  • 2000, Washington State in Pullman, 35-42
  • 2001, South Carolina in Columbia, 13-32
  • 2001, Washington State in Boise, 20-41
  • 2002, Arkansas in Little Rock, 14-41
  • 2003, Oregon State in Corvalis, 24-26
  • 2005, Georgia in Athens, 13-48
  • 2005, Oregon State in Corvalis, 24-26
  • 2005, Boston College in Boise, 21-27 (MPC Computers Bowl)
  • 2007, Washington in Seattle, 10-24

While it is very important to note that Boise has not lost to a BCS school since 2007, it is also fair to demonstrate that Boise State hasn't been the party crashing thorn in the BCS' collective side we have all been led to believe. This becomes even more evident when viewing their record outside of the very, very friendly atmosphere of the Smurf Turf.

Once again: Boise State is a good football team and a good football program. I would never, ever, ever guarantee our Ole Miss Rebels to defeat anybody on any given gameday and I won't even come close to hinting at a likely Rebel win in this situation. But I will say that, after looking at Boise's record against teams in "superior"--no, fuck those quotation marks--SUPERIOR conferences (0-5 against the SEC so far), I doubt their status as a team deserving of BCS champoinship-level respect.

This is not to suggest a lack of respect for the Broncos. Hell yes I'd have loved to see Boise or TCU play Alabama or Texas for some sort of bizarre national championship (last season's Fiesta Bowl was panned by the blogosphere as the "Separate but Equal Bowl") and hell yes I think there's more than a little to be said about multiple consecutive 10-win seasons, regardless of the conference. But, no, Boise State does not send me quaking in my boots. They will be a worthy, well-coached, and ready opponent who will provide a thrilling, nationally televised home season-opener for the first time I can remember.

I am personally incredibly excited about this game. Thank you, Pete Boone... Wow, that was tough to type.

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Nice

post and after looking at how their wins are broken down, I’m not too worried. 2 years from now when this game takes place, we should have experience on offense and be ready to rumble.

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by BimBamOleMissByDamn on May 13, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

As you note, for the 10 years they have been dominant against equal competition

But something changed in 2006 and they have been growing since. The Fiesta Bowl exposure brought in better players, who still have the blue collar mentality. And with all the success they have continued to have, they keep getting better and better recruits. More players are going to the NFL then they years prior to that. We are kinda like the little brother and now we are growing up!

This will be a fun game! And we are all very excited about it as well!

Catch me on the BroncoNation Podcast!

by OBNUG Intern on May 13, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I prefer to think of Idaho as the Jem State

It’s a lot less depressing that way. Or maybe more. I’m not sure. But more interesting, anyway.

by JCCW Jerry on May 13, 2010 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy shit.

I can’t believe someone remembered that.

by ssmund on May 13, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Thank you, Pete Boone..."

Tougher to read. But I agree, I’m excited.

by Rebels7 on May 13, 2010 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Screw Sept. 3rd in the Grove.

Let’s meet in Jan. 2011 in Arizona!

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on May 13, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Unofficially from OBNUG:

We won’t profess to be bigger, better Boise State — unless you like visiting ESPN message boards. Those BSU fans either aren’t on OBNUG or are a few of us antagonizing Generic_SEC_fan_#224.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on May 13, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I go onto ESPN message boards just to laugh

Most of the comments made by the majority of fans are so uninformed and hilarious, especially when they stick to stupid pretensions after being soundly disproved.

by Jalakin on May 13, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of the comments made by the majority of fans are so uninformed

Kind like this post above I’d say.

From 1999 to 2008 Boise State is 108-20. If you add the 2009 season, which we probably should don’t you think, they are 122-20.

Better yet, look at it this way. Since 2000 (this decade) Boise State is 112-17 (.849) Still best in the country.

(0-5 against the SEC so far), I doubt their status as a team deserving of BCS champoinship-level respect.

Actually 0-4 all-time against SEC teams, but now we’re just being fickle.

But here they are anyway.

I love the second part though;

" I doubt their status as a team deserving of BCS-schampionship level respect."

112-17 since 2000 isn’t deserving of BCS respect? 2-0 in BCS bowls isn’t? Thats more BCS bowl wins than Notre Dame, Michigan and Penn State COMBINED.

Chris Petersen took over in 2006 since then the Broncos are 4-1 against BCS teams. 2-1 on the road, if you count the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. I wouldn’t go confusing 1999-2000 Boise State with 2009-2010 Boise State. While alot may still be the same, alot has changed.

Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!

by Mikrino on May 14, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is disputing

that you have less of a case than Notre Dame.

It’s just that Notre Dame really blows.

by Juco All-American on May 14, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Michigan/Penn State, for that matter.

Did he just come on to an SEC blog and brag about having more BCS wins than 2 big ten teams in decline?

"HOT BOUDIN! COOOOOLD COUS COUS, COME ON TIGAHS, PUSH PUSH PUSH!"

by David. on May 14, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO.

Let me put it this way for you guys.

How long does any said team have to win and win consistently year in, year out, to be “deserving of BCS-Championship respect”. The BCS itself is younger than Boise State at the DIA level. I used Michigan, Notre Dame and Penn State as examples of the entitled, who really haven’t earned their BCS stamp, at least not in this generation.

But that’s fine I can use SEC teams. Ole Miss, Kentucky, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Auburn, Miss State, Tennessee, So. Carolina, all have less BCS bowl wins than Boise State. I know, I know, They play in the SEC. You got me.

Back to my point, how many undefeated seasons do you have to put up until Top 25 teams stop dodging you and decide to play you? How many seasons do you have to put up 40+ points a game until you get an invite from a better Conference so you don’t have to play against mickey mouse defenses?

Trust me, The AD at BSU has been trying to get to the MWC or PAC-10 for awhile. We’re all aware of the SOS " you don’t play anybody" argument. But listen, they play who they got, and they win.

Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!

by Mikrino on May 14, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Boise is a very good team,

and I’m sort of scared.

But the overall record thing is pretty silly. If Ole Miss moved to the Sun Belt, they would have an absurd record as well. Yet you don’t see us staking claims for national title consideration.

by Juco All-American on May 14, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

So don’t call my shit “uninformed,” bitchasses.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on May 14, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would Ole Miss still recruit as well

In the Sun Belt, and without the Florida/LSU/Georgia BCS money?

How would Boise State do with the extra cash over time?

by ElPepeGrande on May 14, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how Boise's resources fit in with the point of the piece.

The point is that BCS is not the world-beating program the mainstream media makes them out to be. I don’t know or, honestly, care why this is the case, I was just pointing it out.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on May 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and we help contribute with our own bowl money.

We are not totally reliant on athletic funds from other SEC teams success. Yes the extra cash helps, but we are also contributing ourselves, unlike teams such as Vandy and MS State who have been reliant the past few years.

by Jalakin on May 15, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

true...

But the $3million or so you get from 2 cotton bowls in the past 8 years doesn’t go as far as you think. the conference takes some, if you don’t sell all your ticket allotments, you lose money…travel for team, band, bowl gifts for the players, I wonder if you really see any money.

Boise State made $7 million for the Fiesta bowl, and the travel expenses were insane. The left over money was alot smaller than people thought.

Florida and Alabama’s $15-18 million each might have contributed more to Ole Miss’s bottom line than the Cotton bowl.

by ElPepeGrande on May 15, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So having a larger budget isn't a factor in a football program's success?

So you don’t think that Florida/Georgia regularly beat Ole Miss might be related to the fact that they have more money to spend?

Did Urban Meyer consider Ole Miss when he went to Florida?
Are nicer facilities, larger stadiums, chartered travel……easier to pull better coaches and players?

I would think that a team that regulary gets hammered by the top half of the SEC would appreciate how much the budget plays in success.

by ElPepeGrande on May 15, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florida doesn't regularly beat Ole Miss.

In fact, Florida has an all-time losing record against the Rebels losing 3 of the last 4 meetings. Look it up.

And, dude, I’m glad you’re here contributing to the conversation, but please stop missing the point. I don’t care why team A is better than team B, nor did I even address some sort of a comparison between Boise and another team. I am just saying that Boise State is far from invincible, despite the love affair y’all have had with ESPN over the past few seasons. That’s it and that’s all. I don’t give a damn about resources or scheduling or whatever yadda yadda yadda.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on May 16, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

In addendum:

You’re getting off track and trying to divert the conversation into what you want it to be as opposed to what the original post discusses. In short, it’s just a distraction.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on May 16, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are a good team that plays patsy teams all year and get UP in

their biggest games of the year. That is nice but it still shows that they are not an overall great team

If OM gets physical, they will win

UGA shoved BSU in the face in ’05 and ended up killing them

by Alious on May 13, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

no excuses

BSU’s never beaten the SEC. The Georgia game was a thumping, we Bronco fans accept that (much as we try to block it out). That said, that was the game in which our QB (Jared Zabransky) chose to have a massive brain fart and commit like 5 TOs in the first half (someone correct that?). Z never gave us a chance.

Ever since then, BSU’s success has allowed them to recruit stronger, faster and better athletes, and more of them. I think people will be surprised by the Broncos’ physicality, or not if you’ve watched the ’10 Fiesta Bowl.

Anyway, we’ve all been chomping at the bit for an SEC team to schedule BSU again. For stepping up, Ole Miss immediately has our respect.

by hummerofdoom on May 14, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The question that you have to ask is this:

Did Zabransky have an out of body experience or was the Georgia defense just too good for them?

"HOT BOUDIN! COOOOOLD COUS COUS, COME ON TIGAHS, PUSH PUSH PUSH!"

by David. on May 14, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having seen that game it was totally Zabransky.

Not to say that Boise State would have won, but it would have been a much more competitive game!

Catch me on the BroncoNation Podcast!

by OBNUG Intern on May 14, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a melt down in that game.

He sought out a psychiatrist following that game, it really messed him up for the whole season. He came back strong in 2006 and redeemed himself. We give him a lot of crap because of that, but we were happy to have him. When he threw that pick at the end of the Fiests Bowl no body was surprised. That is how the previous two bowl games were lost. But again he came back and redeemed himself and they won the game.

Catch me on the BroncoNation Podcast!

by OBNUG Intern on May 14, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Careful...

The Fiesta Bowl wouldn’t have been so exciting without the pick six at the end of the game.

Trust me, if you watch every game that Zabransky played in his entire career, the Georgia game, and the Oklahoma pick six were par for the course. Zabransky threw a pick six in the Nevada, Oklahoma and Senior bowl games—-his final three games of his career.

Kellen Moore’s first game in Autzen was more poised than any game Zabransky played it.

To be clear Z is part of a glorious part of Boise St’s history, but he is the third or fourth best QB in the past decade.

by ElPepeGrande on May 14, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is also worth mentioning that

This was Hawkins’ last year, and the coaching staff had a meltdown too. Not just Z’s fault—Hawkins needed a new job.

by ElPepeGrande on May 14, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

We all love Z, but when you ask a Bronco fan what springs to mind when he is mentioned, no one remembers his 33-5 record as starting QB. They remember the disaster at Georgia, Z’s redemption in Fiesta ‘07, and that he wasn’t as good as Kellen Moore, Ryan Dinwiddie or Bart Hendricks.

by hummerofdoom on May 16, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rather than Fresno State and Boise,

I’d rather we just play either good BCS schools (Texas, Oregon, Virginia Tech,etc.) or bad BCS schools (Syracuse, Indiana, etc.). I just see playing Fresno and Boise as not that different from Southern. A lot to lose, not that much to gain. Yeah, Boise is nationally relevant, but how much credit would we actually get for beating them?

by weloveum on May 13, 2010 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I have heard this before.

It’s the conundrum we will always have here at Boise State until we’re invited to a better conference. And no, the MWC probably won’t cut it. We semi-feel for teams like Ole Miss who have to play us. Lucky for you, you are in a BCS conference. Oregon got a pass after they lost to us. If you do your part in your conference (I know it’s asking a lot in the SEC), a loss to Boise State won’t matter. A loss to ‘bigger’ schools will.

In the end, we wish the SOS arguments would stay with the computers. The punish us already (see the TCU leap over Boise last year). Human subjectivity on how good a team would be in a different league is too rampant and flawed.

Besides, there is the possibility we’ll be ranked in the top 3 end of season next year (fans in Boise really don’t think we’ll be in the “title” game without multiple 2-loss teams). You just can’t discard 3 top 11 rankings in a row… no matter who they played.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on May 13, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

We gain more from that game than Fresno

Perception is reality, and it’s even better when the perception is pretty accurate. BSU wins games A lot of them Right now, they’re ESPN’s Charles Woodson, they love talking about the Broncos. If we beat them, not only would we have beaten a very good team, ESPN would talk about it for three weeks straight.

by Rebels7 on May 14, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

consider this:

The big east has officially announced its plans for expansion. The big 10/11/inaccurate-integer is almost factually rumored to expand. The pac-10 has expressed interest in expanding if anyone else does. To be honest, in the all-too-likely case that the big-10 takes Mizzou and/or Nebraska from the big 12, the big 12 would probably grab TCU as it’s first choice with a Houston or maybe an attempt at Boise alternatively. Meanwhile, the pac-10 has also allegedly expressed interest in Boise St. and Colorado with Utah as an alternate—in that order.

Put simply, if all this expansion nonsense goes down, Boise will more likely than not be a BCS conference team when we play them. Unfortunately, they will then go on to play a mediocre FBS season and finish 8-4-ish at best, but we can still say we beat the winningest team in recent history to start our season.

This is all speculation and only assuming that this expansion SNAFU happens this summer in it’s entirety. If nothing happens, I still have to agree with alcopaul (just below this) that we will be terribly strong and they will not when we play them, leading to a win for us.

Either way, as a current junior expecting to graduate (unfortunately early) in 5 years, I’m elated to see Boise State and Texas coming here in the near future.

by Jevan Snead's Agent on May 14, 2010 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sucks to be you...

Being Jevan’s agent and all

by DinkyBalls on May 14, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

someone’s gotta do it…

by Jevan Snead's Agent on May 14, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

…they’re ESPN’s Charles Woodson, they love talking about the Broncos.

It’s amazing what the WWCL in sports will do for an agenda. Last year, they ran Boise’s name through the mud because TCU was their banner boys. This year, we almost prefer the mistreatment, as we really don’t like playing the role. We’d rather play as the underdog/Cinderella/biblical David/Robb Akey of the nation and prove everything on the field. This pre-season hype is ridiculous.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on May 14, 2010 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Comparing a game against

Southern Miss with a game against Boise State is stupid for reasons I shouldn’t have to explain.

by MattSaracen on May 13, 2010 11:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly.

Southern Miss isn’t good and has no national respect.

Boise state is good and is pre-season top 5.

by Juco All-American on May 14, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I obviously understand the difference between Southern and Boise.

But how much credit do you think an SEC team would get for beating a non-BCS Boise team? And how much would we (and the SEC in general) be downed for letting said non-BCS team come to our stadium and beat us? The cost-benefit just doesn’t work out in our favor, just as it wouldn’t with Southern.

by weloveum on May 14, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

that may be true for Southern, but they haven’t been a top ten team the last few years. Also, this gives us tons of publicity and can be real revenue maker (even with paying them $900k)

by the_drake on May 14, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think an SEC team

would get a LOT of credit for beating Boise State. Would you rather beat Illinois?

by Juco All-American on May 14, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

completely agree

your AD deserves credit for making this deal. Beat the Broncos, shut up the hype, and your program is better for it.

Unfortunately, most BCS schools disagree.

by ElPepeGrande on May 14, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

2010 Boise vs. 2011 Boise

In my opinion, if the Rebels were to play Boise this year, either in Boise or Oxford, I would give a strong advantage to the Broncos. However, the Broncos take quite a few hits due to graduation after 2010 (and maybe more considering they could have some guys leaving for the draft or other reasons). Boise State will most likely return 13 out of 22 starters in 2011 from the 2010 version of the Broncos. That means that there will be a good number of first time starters making a nearly 2,000 mile flight to the deep south. However, Kellen Moore will most likely return to Boise for his senior season (he’s only about 6 feet tall), so the Broncos will most likely have one of the top QBs in the country coming into Oxford in 2011.

by alcopaul on May 13, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Best thing about this analysis?

Kellen Moore != Jared Zabransky

Zabransky sees an open Georgia defender.

"Everyone counted us out. I don't know why they keep doing that." -- Kyle Wilson

by Loque on May 14, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice research

Most people like to make statements without actually researching the opponent.

But remember that the Broncos play two and three deep at most positions. Losing seniors is tough, but Coach Pete seems to have players with alot of field experience to call on.

For example—look a the number of D-linemen and linebackers who play in every game. Even with all-conference players, backups play. The O-line has alot of shifting and Boise State had four or five running backs with hundred yard games last year. Losing Jeremy Avery is tough, but Martin/Harper/Kaiserman etc will fill in the gaps.

Replacing Kellen Moore might be more difficult.

by ElPepeGrande on May 14, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at the new classes coming in.

I think we have some of the best players to ever set foot on the Blue Turf! I am excited about the future possibilities!

Catch me on the BroncoNation Podcast!

by OBNUG Intern on May 14, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry. No disrespect and all,

but I cant watch Boise St. play unless it’s on the road. I cant handle that blue turf. It’s atrocious.

by bovice on May 14, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe someone could fill me in here.

Why did they go to blue turf? What’s the deal? Do the BSU fans like it?

by bovice on May 14, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

We love it! It's our identity, our tradition.

At first it was to create attention and to differential and now it is a symbol of the blue collar mentality of the team. It was difficult to watch last season, even the company that installed the turf noticed that and offered to replace it this summer with a new turn (yes, it will still be blue) that doesn’t have so much of a sheen to it. It should be more pleasant this coming season.

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by OBNUG Intern on May 14, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you say TraDishUns??

I think I can speak for all on this board by saying we know a little something about TrAdIsHUns. They are being systematically destroyed in Oxford daily!!

by bovice on May 14, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

1986. They actually considered Orange turf. Be thankful.

Ok, so I just made that up. But yeah they heard you could have any color and went with Blue. It’s really not that bad… if you like Boise State.

Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!

by Mikrino on May 14, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

no it's probably not.

Just something you probably would have to get used to. It’s just weird to watch on tv I guess, but I will give you that it is unique and everybody in CFB knows about the blue turf and how tough it is to play there.

by bovice on May 14, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

but I will give you that it is unique and everybody in CFB knows about the blue turf and how tough it is to play there.

I will take it.

It’s crazy when you think about it. Only two losses at home in ten seasons.
Unfortunately it seems to be one loss every five years, so we’re due.

63-2 Since 2000. They have never lost a conference home game.

I realize most of those are against perennial doormats, but it is impressive.
I think Oregon was the first ranked opponent to play in Bronco Stadium in the regular season, just last year.

You sure you guys can’t talk your AD into a return game?

Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!

by Mikrino on May 14, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully not this season!
so we’re due.

Catch me on the BroncoNation Podcast!

by OBNUG Intern on May 14, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um, probably not.

we learned our lesson on long road trips into mountainous terrain a few years back in the home and home with Wyoming….. and they weren’t even any good. But then again, our coach was some shrimp boat captain.. Orgeron maybe?? I (try to) forget. All kidding aside though, I’m always up for a good road trip to a new place. Never been to Boise.

by bovice on May 14, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

New turf in the 80s

Boise State was in the Big Sky, had a 20K seat stadium, and the AD had a vision——Blue turf is universal. Even if you hate it, you still know exactly where it is.

And with the wins against bigger opponents, the momentum continues.

by ElPepeGrande on May 14, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biggest issue for legitimacy......

Boise St. doesn’t play the schedule that requires them to have depth. In most conferences if you are playing with walk on talent on the special teams you will not be competitive.

We have seen this through the years at Ole Miss.

During the rigors of a competitive conference, injuries play a big factor in how successful you may be that year. If Boise St. isn’t playing top talent week end and week out they are not subjected to those same issues.

Playing an opening date or a bowl game while not an advantage for Boise St., it isn’t the disadvantage it would be if they played in the middle or late season. The players will be fresh and they should not tire as easily.

I would like to see their talent level play an 8 game SEC schedule. I think most would see Boise St. struggle to win 4 games. Winning four games in the SEC is not an easy accomplishment. The rigors of a more competitive conference would show where their weakness lies. Depth.

by ramblinrebelman on May 14, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Biggest issue for legitimacy?

Depth has always been an issue for non-aq confernece teams. Depthe was a problem for BSU in the past. Since the win over OU the talent level of the recruits that have come to Boise has increased dramaticlly. Beleive me when I tell you, or don’t and do us a big favor, BSU has a very strong starting team and a very tough 2 deep lineup. Do I have any proof of this you mght ask. Of the 10 teams that played in BCS bowl games last year, BSU had the most starters injured. I believe we had 8 of our 22 out or extremely limited for our game against TCU. Remeber that many experts(before the game) described TCU as a team that was “1 second away from a possible NC game”. BSU was able to win that game with over 1/3 of their starters out. That would seem to indicate that they may be deeper than some think. By the way, we are even more talented 2-deep this year. Have great season and here’s to a great game in 2011.

by Orng n Blu on May 14, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the Heck!

Wow, was there some bad spelling in that post or what. Sorry about that, I’ll try harder next time.

by Orng n Blu on May 14, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

We appreciate the self-editing

even if it comes after you post. Thanks.

(Gonzo, pay attention)

by the_drake on May 14, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your argument is a bit circular

If Boise State had access to the funds the Ole Miss gets every year from Florida’s BCS payouts, the donations from a larger/older alumni etc, they would be more efficient than most SEC schools.
Being in a better conference (we know, the WAC sucks—Working on a better conference) would also bring better recruits.
By the way—we have been in three conferences in the past dozen years. We want to be in a fourth.

In the past 10 years, Boise State has had less money to spend than teams like Ole Miss.
Recruits have more stars and Ole Miss has more NFL draft picks.
A question for you:
How many crappy losses does Ole Miss have in the past 10 years (even in the SEC, you get to play Kentucky/Miss St/Vandy every year)?
Losing to a 7 loss Miss St team last year seems like it is a bad loss, betting beat by Florida isn’t a bad loss).
Even with the crappy schools on Boise State’s schedule, they don’t let down when they play in empty stadiums.

Are you happy about the Ole Miss product that is on the field—based on the resources at hand?
I think most Boise State fans are pretty happy with the value the football program provides.

The best thing—we get to play on the field. You can see for yourselves if Boise State measures up—instead of hiding behind the ‘we were born into the SEC’ argument.

by ElPepeGrande on May 14, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're not pretending that Ole Miss

is someone to be feared.

Some of us (not me) are simply arguing that Boise State isn’t either.

by Juco All-American on May 14, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depth is key

I agree that depth is a difference, but Boise State is much deeper than in the past. We lost two hundred yard rushers, our best receiver was injured for the Fiesta Bowl, as was our best linebacker. The O-line has been in constant shift around injuries.

Watch the TCU game. Boise State is working on the depth issue, and might be deeper than you think.

by ElPepeGrande on May 14, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hello rebel fans

I am glad to see we get to have a chance to play one of the"big boys" in 2011. Houston Nutt was a good coach here and I actually give him credit as being the one to get the ball rolling here in Boise. Glad to see him there.

Now a little smack talk….nothing outrageous.

One thing people always overlook when you are talking about BSU is the coaching. This is the one thing that can remain constant year after year and give you success. Here at Boise we have what I believe to be one of the best coaches in the country period . This coaching continuity and success is what makes Boise dangerous even to teams that have much more talent on paper-ask oregon about last year, though they were supposedly bigger stronger faster- with more depth at every position, Watch the game, though semi-close on the scoreboard, it was a complete blowout.
 This winning attitude and focus on BSU as a TEAM is what gives BSU the edge in most games. If you are going to beat us, you are going to need to beat coach pete before the game, he just wins! If you look at our record since coach pete has taken over, a fairly impressive 39-1, and I don’t care who you play that is pretty good. Ask michigan about appalachian state.
 It will be a challenge no doubt, but I like our chances, of course what else would I say..LOL.
Best of luck this year to Ole Miss, go ahead make my day and beat all those guys in the SEC. :) especially alabama as their fans are becoming quite pompous.

I believe all Viking fans must be masochistic!!

by BSUvikFAN on May 14, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Uhm...
[Alabama] fans are becoming quite pompous

It’s been this way for decades. I guess y’all are just now figuring this one out.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on May 14, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's actually a fairly impressive 49-4.

We’d all like to forget 2007, but it is there nonetheless.

Boise State - The best in all the land (The "land" being Idaho, and large parts of California, Oregon, and Nevada.) Now also including Fort Worth, TX and coming soon this fall, Washington D.C.!

by Mikrino on May 14, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey. Ya Never Know. 2011 Opener Might Be a Rematch of 2010 NCG

Bronco Nation will be Rebel Rooting this coming season. We want OM to plow through the SEC West, win the SEC, and face the Broncos in the National Championship game! Regulating our opener next year to merely a rematch!

And don’t start with the “high schools in Texas could beat teams from the WAC” stuff… Oh. Wait a minute… nevermind.

Looking forward to it! We hope to make the trip to Oxford.

We promise not to turn the ball over 6 times in the first half.

And that's another Bronco... FIRST DOWN!!

by FirstDown on May 14, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah.

After all Zabransky is busy delivering meals to the wrong tables at PF Chang’s.

Catch me on the BroncoNation Podcast!

by OBNUG Intern on May 14, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Suppose We Should Stop Bashing Z

He made up for it very nicely and I enjoyed his interview on the documentary, “Out Of The Blue.” He was very humble about the UGA disaster and mature in his response going forward.

Besides, it’s probably rude to wash our own dirty laundry on the Ole Miss board. Sorry, Rebs! And another thing… as much as I look forward to this matchup we’d better focus on Va Tech and our 2010 trap game,… @ Wyoming.

And that's another Bronco... FIRST DOWN!!

by FirstDown on May 14, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry to Bring Up Bad Memories, Friend. I Had To Look It Up

Those pesky ’Pokes swept the Rebels in a Home-and-Home 2004 and 5.

They always seem to play Boise tough… At least your AD is smart enough not to have the Rebs come to The Blue!

And that's another Bronco... FIRST DOWN!!

by FirstDown on May 14, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Munson'd on Ole Miss's site

Be careful with Boise State’s history as a guide.

The program is growing so fast, that the Georgia game might not be the best indicator. Boise State has played in three conferences, had two stadium expansions, and doubled coaches pay in the past few years. The incoming recruits have been bigger/stronger/higher rated than the seniors who leave each year.

Boise State’s 1999 or 2003 teams are a bit different that today’s team. The Fiesta Bowl wins probably help too. We had a recruit pick Boise over Notre Dame. This might not be a big deal, but this hadn’t happened before this year.

And Z won’t be under center.

Extremely excited about the opportunity to come and play in Miss.
Kudos for Ole Miss for makeing this deal.

by ElPepeGrande on May 14, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who sees no reason for us to lose?

I mean really… These guys love to bash the BCS while at the same time say “we have more BCS wins.” So either you have more “worthless” BCS wins or the BCS really is that big of a deal, but you just haven’t been to a NC game because you have no business there…. Bottom line. You’re 0-4 against the best football conference in the nation and you should expect that trend to continue.

However, please enjoy the Grove while you are here. You will find that we are more than hospitable to most non SEC opponents. Just please don’t pull out any “Bust-a-Nutt” shit and you guys will have a great experience in Oxford.

by hottytoddy07 on May 14, 2010 8:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I would love to hear you say that after we beat Alabama in NC Game. Oh and by the way any real Boise State fan would be nothing but respectful when it comes to Houston Nutt, after all he was our coach at one point.

by Blake Pieksma on May 15, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

We are used to Nutt bashing around here from those crazy pig bastards so its expected really, but in retrospect all of you have been class acts over here so far. However, I saw a fair amount of Houston hate on OBNUG so I really couldn’t get a feel on how you guys felt about him. I’ll just assume the trashing was from the minority and hope the majority share your views.

As far as y’all beating Bama goes I’d love that as would most of the SEC fan base because well to be blunt Nick Satan(my blackberry autocorrects his last name to that. Which I find awesome) is a prick. The only animosity I really have towards Boise would be a direct result of the over hype in the media the past few years.

Its really cool to see all this hype for an ’11 game and I will be interested to see how you guys like the Grove.

by hottytoddy07 on May 15, 2010 2:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

To be honest..

with the current coaching staff, the way recruiting has been going and the players we have, there is NO team in America I am afraid to play( I could not say that in the past). With NiX at DC, it looks like we will have a top echelon SEC defense year in & out, with HDN we will ALWAYS be able to run the ball. I am intersted to see Boise this year because they lost their DC to TN, I thought their defense was the biggest improvement from past Boise teams, they didn’t have to outscore people. It should be a great game & hot as hell for them.

by hotstove97 on May 14, 2010 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

Looking forward to this game. If I am back from Iraq, I will make every attempt to go to this game.

It was all just a dream...

by MasinMud on May 15, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

What I would like to see

Baring of course Ole Miss going undefeated and winning the National Title. Is for Boise State to play for the National Title and kick the ever loving shit out of whoever they play (except of course if Ole Miss were to make it). I’d want Boise to win by such a landslide that while driving for another score with about 7:00 they decide to kneel on the ball instead of running up the score any higher. Then we can have push for a playoff even harder (which I of course think the SEC would win most of lol). I have been saying for a while that Boise’s coach should start holding press conferences once a week calling major conference teams pussies for refusing to play Boise. I am quite happy our team is not afraid to play them.

by mypisceannature on May 16, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

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