Why I Don't Believe in LSU
by Juco All-American on Aug 7, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
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PrintRecently, And The Valley Shook, the LSU SBNation blog, posted a story entitled "Why I Don't Believe in Ole Miss." I found it only fitting to combat that by arguing why I don't believe in LSU. I'll counter their arguments by using most of their logic, reasoning, and overall post structure, while applying my obvious Ole Miss bias. Read theirs first, then read mine. Don't worry, we'll be right here when you get back....
Ready? Alright, here goes:
LSU fans are jubilant about their team's chances this season. And why shouldn't they be? LSU is being picked in the top ten by many media outlets, and only the crazies in the media (see: Paul Finebaum) are putting them outside of the top 15.
But, honestly, how come? Their starting quarterback, Jordan Jefferson, has played in two SEC games, having lost both. As a runner, he averaged 2.7 yards per carry last season. The only game that he actually quarterbacked to a win was against Georgia Tech in a bowl. Since when is throwing for 142 yards against an ACC defense something to celebrate?
LSU went 8-5 (3-5) last year. That's a good year on paper, but losing an out of conference game to Appalachian State, North Texas, Tulane or Troy is a tough thing for an SEC team to do. Their three worthwhile regular season wins came against the powerhouses of Auburn, Mississippi State, and South Carolina. They regressed as the year went on, losing four of their final six regular season games. But they did beat Troy and Tulane! They weren't a top ten team last season. Hell, they weren't a top 25 team last season. They lost five games in a down year for the SEC which is terrible. People have written songs about that.
Let's also not forget that in 2007, LSU went 6-2 in the SEC. Six and two. That 3-5 conference record was a massive weakening as the team suffered through poor coaching decisions on the sideline. Now, it is time to introduce all of you to Juco All-American's "Teams on the Decline" principle. It's a fancy way of saying that teams who are living off of other coaches' recruits and made poor coaching hires excel in years 1-3 (11-2, 11-2, 12-2) but slowly get worse in year four (8-5) before succumbing to mis-evaluations across the board (Keiland Williams).
I believe that LSU in years one through three under Les Miles achieved what everyone expected, so a fall was difficult to expect last season. But how much of this radical decrease was related to the team achieving its true potential and how much was just the poor coaching of the same staff? Now that the new coach smell has worn off, does LSU continue to play at the same level it did in 2005, 2006 and 2007, which is a quite elite level?
Graduation hurts more than you think.
LSU lost their two best defensive linemen to the draft last season along with their best guard. That is not a loss a team easily recovers from. Tyson Jackson is gone, so their most important player departs. LSU is relying on reliable production from Al Woods (11 tackles in 2008) and Rahim Allen (who didn't start a game last year) on defense, and while both are supremely talented, the talented underproducer can be a terrible thing to pin your hopes on. (If you cite Rahim Allen's eight sacks, be prepared to hear about Hardy's 8.5 from last year)
But the real loss is Herman Johnson. Johnson helped open hole after hole for Charles "I rushed for one yard per carry against Ole Miss" Scott last year. It's not like there is no talent or experience there (certainly Ciron Black is excellent), but it's hard to think the line will actually be better without Johnson.
I should mention the offense does return the truly electric Trindon Holliday, who rushed for 114 yards last year while receiving for 33. If I'm an LSU fan, he's the guy, outside of Black, I am most excited about returning (and being used incorrectly by my boneheaded coach). The guy is an explosive player and a threat to score almost every time he touches the ball (which was 23 times on offense last year). He's also 165 pounds (soaking wet) and it seems like it was a minor miracle he stayed healthy for a full season.
Everyone is better
Something is being made of LSU's schedule. And it is pretty average for an SEC school. They play both Florida and Georgia, the two best teams out East. They go to Alabama, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State (the latter of the three isn't so much a "game" as it is a "turkey shoot"). That's about as much of a murderer's row as a team can hope for in the 2009 version of the SEC.
LSU deserves absolutely no credit for failing to take advantage of a down year, because, let's be frank, it was a down year. The previously bowl-eligible Western Division Bulldogs were back to their old tricks, Arkansas was awful at times, and Auburn was a soap opera. All three teams should be better this year. Auburn and Arkansas, in particular, should see some improvement in their offensive outputs on the simple ground that it couldn't be worse--and by that I mean that Arkansas was fourth and Auburn eigth among SEC teams in total offense last season, respectively.
There just won't be any "easy" SEC wins on the schedule whatsoever (aside from Mississippi State). Yep, they have to play Florida, and they have to play improved teams--such as Ole Miss and Arkansas--throughout the year. I absolutely guarantee that Auburn's offense will be greatly improved this year and they will give everyone a much tougher game. Maybe not a return to the top 25, but Auburn certainly will not be the speed bump on the schedule they were last season.
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There's just a lot of factors working against LSU this year. 2008 was a near diarrhea fountain for the Tigers, and it's difficult to believe all of the stars will align for them this time. Will they be good? Of course. Miles isn't a good coach, but they have some playmakers on defense, and the best quarterback in the SEC whose name can easily be mistaken for the main character in a 1970's sitcom involving a once-poor black couple moving to New York's Upper East Side.
This is a team that has to improve in order to win the division, and I don't see that improvement. I don't believe that it will be a major challenge to merely sustain the massive slump the program experienced last season. I actually believe Miles may be up for that challenge, but him meeting it seems a tad unrealistic. The jury is still out on whether last season was a one-year aberration or a new level for LSU. The most likely answer is that the truth lies somewhere in between.
Before we anoint LSU is a top ten team, let's see it on the field first. It's not like it can't happen, but LSU's Heisman Trophy winner is a damn felon (yes, there was the obligatory cheap shot). I'm taking a wait and see approach to this Tigers squad, so color me skeptical.
OK, I promise not to talk about LSU again for at least a week. I swear I'm not obsessed.
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Wow.
Great article. I’m not just saying that because I hate LSU, but you pointed out alot of factors that didn’t even think of. good job.
Don't thank me.
Thank And The Valley Shook.
I just changed the names of players, changed Ole Miss to LSU, and changed everything about our improvement to mirror their decline.
If you read both, you can tell.
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by Juco All-American on Aug 7, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
(Slow Clap)
Brav-fucking-o. Very well played sir. Well played indeed.
by ColRebsLastBreath on Aug 7, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
The least amount of points LSU allowed by a SEC team in 2008 was 17
@ SC – 17
@Auburn – 21
MS State – 24
Bama- 27
UM – 31
@ AR – 31
@ UF – 51
UGA – 52
Honorable Mention: Troy – 31
Hate Hate Hate
that is an interesting take on things
Troy stands out, yes, but the 21 from Awbarn and the TWENTY FOUR from Mississippi Steer University jump out at me
those two offenses amounting to that many points….
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by Wallacewade04 on Aug 8, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I Like Your Style JUCO
Being hypocritical is a real bitch LSU, and if you don’t understand what that means look it up in a dictionary.
Poseur would never write "How come"
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by Richard Pittman on Aug 10, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions
woah
yes, I’m an LSU-homer…. this is a good article actually, but anyone can interpret data or provide an argument that is biased to his/her predetermined conclusion… so here’s my data, of course biased… 2003 13-1 & NC, 2004 8-5, 2005&2006 11-2, 2007 12-2 & NC, 2008 8-5…. see a pattern? now don’t you think my data is BS? of course. but how acurate is yours? Do I think LSU will go 12-1 this year? It’s not likely. Florida is too good, and so are other teams. LSU may go 8-5, but they may go 12-1. As you should know, the difference between 8-5 and 11-1 in SEC is a very thin margin. Every great team has that moment when the season becomes great. Please don’t count LSU out b/c of one “down” season. The co-d coordinator was a bad idea, and we threw the ball too much with an experienced QB. Just a bad season, chalk it up as that, and nothing more. The verdict is still out on Miles, but so far, he’s been OK, and the recruiting classes have been great. Saban locked down the state 8 yrs ago, and Miles has continued the trend. Outside of TX, CA, FL, LSU is the football hotbed, with no other instate college to compete with. Combine that with the facilities, fan base, and financial resource support, there aren’t many in the SEC that can compete (aka only FL, AL) long-term. You may hate it, but it’s what it is. Congrats on the preseason hype for Ole Miss, I wish you the best of luck this year (except against LSU). But long term you know your place, even if you won’t admit it publicly. I’ll get off your blog now. Unfortunately it was the cover of CBS, so I had to read.
Yeah.
That was the point of the article. People can manipulate make logical arguments that every team (except Florida) will be worse this year.
It was written to shed some light on the article written on the LSU blog, called “Why I Don’t Believe in Ole Miss.”
this is a good article actually, but anyone can interpret data or provide an argument that is biased to his/her predetermined conclusion
Exactly.
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by Juco All-American on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
This article was clearly written by someone who has no clue about anything related to LSU football. There were so many errors, I am dreading writing this comment, but I’ll start from the top.
Jordan Jefferson-Did you actually watch a game that he started in? First of all, he was a true freshman, so he was playing with a watered-down playbook. Secondly, he improved LSU’s offense quite a bit if you actually watched the games. In the games he started, he didn’t throw an interception, and LSU scored 31 and 38 points in those games. As for the Georgia Tech game, he started out 9 for 9, LSU built a huge lead, and they let off the gas for the second half. Everyone else was impressed by him, whether it’s coaches, fans, or media members. Apparently you are on of the few who doesn’t get the picture. I find this especially amusing since your quarterback, after a full year learning the system, had only a 2-1 interception ratio, had 8 games (75% of the season) where he had a completion percentage of 50% or less, or was within one incompletion of being there. He also threw 0 touchdowns and 2 picks vs. Samford, and 0 touchdowns and 4 picks vs. Vanderbilt. He caught fire the last 3 games and that’s it.
“Since when is throwing for 142 yards against an ACC defense something to celebrate?” I’ve got one for you. Since when is losing to an ACC offense something that’s excusable? Or since when is losing to Vanderbilt acceptable?
I love when you say that an 8-5 year is good on paper. There’s the difference in the program levels between LSU and Ole Miss. LSU goes 8-5 and everyone’s incredibly disappointed. Ole Miss goes 9-4 (a one game difference), and all of a sudden they are on top of the world, unbeatable. Also, last year was the first time in how many years that you beat LSU?
As far as your principle of decline or whatever the crap you called it, Miles has consistently been getting at least as good of recruiting classes as Saban did, and he has been winning a lot more than Saban did. Explain how Miles won with Saban’s recruits better than Saban won with Saban’s recruits. LSU is always incredibly talented. You think that was all lost after 2007? All of sudden LSU isn’t talented? LSU’s problems last year can be traced to 2 things: the co-defensive coordinators and Jarrett Lee’s inexperience. Both of those have been fixed.
When you talk about succumbing to mis-evalutions across the board and mention Keiland Williams, what the heck are you talking about? Are you saying that you know better than all of LSU’s coaches and Williams should be the starter? Charles Scott is an All-SEC back, by the coaches and the media. Sure he had one bad game at the end of the season, during which he was dealing with ankle injuries. All of a sudden he’s not good? Unbelievable.
You say LSU achieved what everyone expected under Miles in his first 3 years. I would disagree, considering he was the first coach to ever win 10 or more games 3 years in a row at LSU. Saban couldn’t do it. Then Miles has one bad season, and all of a sudden he is a crappy coach.
“LSU lost their two best defensive linemen to the draft last season along with their best guard. That is not a loss a team easily recovers from.” Who were their two best defensive lineman? Because anyone watching the games realized that Alem was the best defensive lineman last year. Jackson may have had more pro potential, but Alem dominated games. I can’t believe you mention the fact that he didn’t start a game as an attempt to discredit him. He was first team All-SEC by the AP, second team All-SEC by the coaches. But yeah, he’s no good. And who is the second defensive lineman you mention? Jean-Francois? Because again, he didn’t produce at all last year, whether it was because he was hurt or whatever.
Johnson may be a little bit of a loss, but it’s not like he is irreplaceable by any means. Miles has consistently said this off season that this line will be the best since he’s been at LSU, which is saying something.
So apparently the most important returning players for LSU are 1. Ciron Black and 2. Trindon Holliday. Never mind Brandon Lafell. Don’t worry about Charles Scott. Someone with 147 total yards is LSU’s second most important returning player. It’s interesting how you criticize how little he is used, and then in the next sentence describe how it is a miracle he didn’t get hurt last year. Kind of destroys your own argument.
Everyone, and I mean literally everyone, is projecting LSU to be much better this year. Apparently everyone is wrong, and you are right. And could you please, please, just give me 3 examples of how Miles is a bad coach? I’m waiting.
3 examples
1. Trindon Holliday touched the ball fewer than 25 times on offense last season.
2. LSU went 8-5. LSU.
3. He went with Jarrett Lee for TEN GAMES before moving to Jordan Jefferson, who you’re claiming is phenomenal.
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by Juco All-American on Aug 10, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Another example: the 2007 season.
LSU was lucky to have not gone something like 8-4 two years ago.
It took Miles a 14-point fourth quarter to beat a weak-ish Florida team with multiple turnovers by a mere four points.
It took a 17-point fourth quarter to beat an Alabama team which LSU outgained by 221 yards. Alabama only had 20 net yards of rushing that game. A team with 20 yards net rushing should never score 27 (31-7 points off of an Arenas punt return) offensive points on an LSU defense post-Saban.
It took 17 fourth quarter points and a bullshit last second video-game style play to win against Auburn. Do you remember that? There were fewer than 10 seconds left, LSU was down by a point and, instead of letting Colt David—a good kicker—attempt a 40-yarder to win it… LIKE A NORMAL FUCKING COACH WOULD HAVE… Miles opted for the last moment heave to the endzone. I mean, that’s a call a damn four-year-old makes.
I mean, really, how many fourth quarter comebacks should LSU have needed?
That team won in spite of Les Miles, not because of him. Honestly, they were too talented to lose.
He is not a good “coach.” He is a lucky son of a bitch who has continued the lockdown-the-state recruiting system set up by Nick Saban. That’s it.
Congrats on the BCS trophy though. Seriously, can’t hate that.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 11, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Jordan Jefferson was a true freshman who only had training camp as the third QB on the depth chart and those ten games as Jarrett Lee’s backup to learn the offense. Lee had an entire redshirt year and a large amount of snaps with the first team offense in camp. Jefferson just didn’t know the offense well enough to play until the end of the year. I think he’s a good quarterback, but we never claimed he was a genius who could learn a system in three weeks well enough to run it.
Blinded by Old Piss stained glasses
1. Trindon is a KR and not a every down back. Plus the RB position was loaded with RB’s with more experience and situational power last year. Bad example on your part.
2. LSU lost to Arkansas and #2 Bama by a combined 7 points. difference of a 8-5 season to a 10-3 season. Even with a bad defensive coordinator planning, and 7 ints returned for TD’s. Yet another bad example.
3. Coach Miles went with Lee because he had the most game experience of all the QB’s on roster after Ryan Perilloux left the team. He was not going to throw a freshman QB to the Wolves mid-season to appease nan-sayers and critics. And yes a bad example to close out your pathetic excuse of a rant.
Bottom line, you whole rant on " Why I don’t believe in LSU" is way off point. You should spend more time trying to prove why Ole Miss is getting better as a SEC west contender…and less about other teams that have accomplished more. Nice try, but no cigar.
So wait...
8-5 isn’t a good year on paper, but Les Miles is the only coach in the history of LSU football to win ten games three years in a row?
Man, y’all must have had a lot of terrible seasons. I guess LSU football has no tradition…
And before you come back about how Ole Miss football’s tradition sucks, just know that I agree with you.
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by Juco All-American on Aug 10, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a cool picture of your boy Shaq.
I love using that. Anyway, to hopefully aid you in getting the point follow these steps:
1.) Open two tabs in our browser, one of them being this article (the one you’re reading) and the other being this article.
2.) Read. Make sure to go back and forth between the tabs.
Do you notice anything? Juco was proving the point stated above that “anyone can interpret data or provide an argument that is biased to his/her predetermined conclusion” by taking a story written on our network’s LSU site, removing the LSU references, and mad-libbing his way to something suitable for our Ole Miss site.
Before you criticize this article and it’s seeming lack of astute observations of the LSU football team, please realize it is a satirical (yet somewhat earnest) and direct rebuttal to something far too similar written on an LSU site.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 10, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
*your browser
SBNation needs an edit button in comment threads.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 10, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
"it's" should be "its"
I’m tired. Sue me.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 10, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, you got me...
I can only sit and read so much watered-down, bullshit hate before I take the bait…
LSU… You got killed by Ole Miss. Killed. Not by Peria Jerry, Mike Wallace, and Mike Oher. The whole team pushed your shit in. The week before, you almost lost to fucking TROY. The week after, you lost to Arkansas. You had a month to prepare for an ACC option offense in a bowl you didn’t deserve, and won. Congradufuckinglations…
See, this is how shit-talk works. You can claim tradition and recent dominance, and that garners some points, but you can’t just say “Ole Miss is a flash in the pan” or other such nonsense when we crushed you too badly for your own inbred fans to talk shit, in your own stadium, then proceeded to shut out our state rivals and demolish a top 10 team in a bowl. You don’t get to do that. Sorry. Your quarterback might be the second best in the West. He’ll more likely be the 3rd or 4th. Barring injury, ours will be the best. So will our receiving corps. And our defensive line. And our stable of running backs. It isn’t like 2003, where we’re relying on a Manning to win 10 games. We have a better team than you, on the field last year, and on paper this year. Sure, it’ll likely be a closer game than, but you have an inferior argument to ours as to why you’ll win…
Your argument is essentially “We’re LSU, our defense and quarterback will magically be far better than last year.”
Ours is “We killed you last year and return the vast majority of our important players, and also, your coach may be experiencing diminishing returns…”
I know, I know, you’re LSU, you have a commanding series lead and recent dominance. But until November 20, the score stands at 31-13, and we look to be better this year. Your hate is as laughable as ours would have been a year ago today. Get over it.
by Whiskey Wednesday on Aug 10, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
“And our stable of running backs”
Charles Scott is the best running back in the SEC, at least according to the league coaches.Keiland Williams is going to be drafted next year. Trindon Holliday may be the fastest man in college football. Don’t overreach on your arguments.
By the way, my argument is not that we will “magically be far better” it’s that “last year we had a chaotic situation at defensive coordinator and at quarterback and we expect a lot of improvement in those areas”.
Not a terrible counter-argument...
Tempting though it was to only acknowledge the ass-clown that posted right below you there, I think your argument is worth addressing. I’m sure that Scott is a good back, voted 1st team for a reason, but having seen him a handful of times, I’m only somewhat impressed. I think that Scott will have better stats than Bolden (except for YPC), but I’m convinced that Bolden is a more complete back, with similar power but greater speed and playmaking ability. No way I’d trade you.
Also, it’s hard to argue for Williams right now. I guess he could have a good season, but again, I’ll take the combined efforts of Enrique Davis, Cordera Eason, Devin Thomas, and maybe a couple of freshmen over Williams and whoever else will steal some carries at LSU
And please. You have Holliday. We have Dex. Sure, Holliday wins in the 100, but Dex’s balance, lateral acceleration, and vision are all wayyyy better.
And as for our “magical improvement” argument, I do think that your losses on the DL could more than make up for Chavis’ arrival. And as far as Jefferson goes, anyone that didn’t throw pick 6’s was going to wow you at the end of last season. I just don’t see him making up for a running game that was pathetic against us last year.
by Whiskey Wednesday on Aug 11, 2009 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Ole Miss fans are hardly impressed by Charles Scott.
Remember, he averaged ONE yard per carry against our Rebel defense.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 11, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Did they watch any of the other games?
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by Richard Pittman on Aug 11, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes,
and aside from Georgia, he was lackluster against good SEC teams. It’s not like Ole Miss was the only defense which contained him. He had 35 yards against Florida on 12 carries, 61 on South Carolina with 16, and a pathetic 28 yards on Arkansas with 12. But, you’re right man, he tore the shit out of Auburn, Mississippi State, and Tulane. His 18 touchdowns were impressive, aside the fact that half of them came against non-SEC foes.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 11, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Aside from his 30yd touchdown run,
he was average. Also, don’t forget, Alabama was without a 100% healthy Mount Cody when they played the Bayou Bengals. Running up the middle against them was significantly easier for LSU than it was for most of Alabama’s opponents.
He had one good play. Aside from that play, he averaged 2.7 yards a carry (see: not good).
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 11, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh so the Old Piss Fans want to buck up after 1 win?
Hey Whiskey Breath, tell me what’s it like to have your shit pushed in for 40 years? And you ride the coat tails of one transfer QB, who without, you’d be around the bowl and down the hole…Again. Well there’s always the Head Coach named Nutt who can carry all hopes and dreams. Hey no matter who the Hell is your QB,or Coach, you will always be a female crouch hair ahead of MSU for bottom dwellers of the SEC. Now go back in your hole and keep your mouth shut till you win anything of importance.
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOOK EVERYBODY!!!! I MADE ONE OF THEM SAY OLD PISS!!!!!!! I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, you’re a tool. Read my comment. It certainly acknowledges your dominance in the overall series. I made that argument for you. Thanks for making it again. My argument was that you can only talk so much trash now, because there is plenty of evidence that we’ll be better than you again this year. And who knows, if we catch the right series of breaks… say:
1. A mediocre LSU head coach,
2. A couple of seasons RIDIN’ THU COAT TAYLES OF WON TRANSFUR QB!!!@
3. Finding the missing piece for Nutt in coach Kent Austin (not to mention a possible future HC)
…then who knows? Maybe LSU will sink back into the Dinardo era while we make a few runs at Atlanta.
Seriously though, you’re awesome, please check in periodically.
by Whiskey Wednesday on Aug 11, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
You do realize that saying "Ole Piss" is grounds for bannination here?
Rule #1, to which you agreed (you checked the damned box).
First, trite and silly namecalling is discouraged here. Any moron with a keyboard can say “LSUcks,” “Bullfrauds,” or “Ole Pi$$ Webels.” We expect our community members to be above that.
It’s not that it’s mean or something, it’s that it’s stupid and unoriginal.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 11, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Woo hoo!
I’ve been satired!
For the record, I felt I said nice things about Ole Miss, I just think y’all are going to fall short of the preseason hype. I pointed out your assets (an explosive playmaker, a terrific QB, a good coach who has done great work) but really, I also was trying to point out why we should be skeptical. It wasn’t an article of simply hating on Ole Miss. In fact, I think Ole Miss is pretty good (and even said so). My BlogPoll ballot has them at #15.
You guys, apparently, think LSU has no assets and we’re going to suck. At least, that’s what I get according to this posting, since you couldn’t find the space to say anything good about LSU. Cool. But that’s not remotely like what I posted relative to Ole Miss, and I liked how your post structure mimicked mine except for the paragraph to say nice things about the other team. And trust me, I’m pretty skeptical of a lot of things about LSU this season as well, particularly our QB situation. I don’t share your condemnation of our coach, but if you think he’s a dolt, that’s cool.
Ole Miss will be good this year. They were good last year. But I just can’t bring myself to believe they will win the West. I didn’t even bring up the most obvious reason: Bama is really, really good.
Dude, you can't admit to being "satired"
and then take us seriously by saying that we “think LSU has no assets and (is) going to suck.” Just sayin’. We were just pointing out the fact that so many of the question marks surrounding our team also surround the teams we’re competing against for the West.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 11, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
I think LSU is actually quite good.
It was intended to be a statement that every team loses players, etc. and can be made to look like they’re not going to be good.
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by Juco All-American on Aug 11, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't take you seriously?
Ummm…. satire is trying to make a point. That’s what makes it satire. And I take the point seriously. But nowhere did I say Ole Miss won’t be good. In fact, I said they would be good. I said they won’t be a top ten team and won’t win the West.
Unfortunately for both of us, I think Bama will.
But nowhere did I say Ole Miss won’t be good. In fact, I said they would be good. I said they won’t be a top ten team and won’t win the West.
I never said you did.
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by Juco All-American on Aug 11, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I want in on this!!!!
We have two of these really cool looking crystal ball looking things from resent years.
End of rant. Thank you all for coming.
Go Tigers!
Ha.
I like you. Stick around.
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by Juco All-American on Aug 11, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Ole Miss fans!!!
I think somebody gave you the keys to the car a little too early!!!
Damn yall are funny.
LSU Fans!!!
Well shit, who stole your corn dog? Before you get that authentic team jersey and jorts all wadded up, how about you check out your OWN DAMN BLOG and just try to get the idea of satire. Not that the pedantic, overwrought nature of your bullshit complaining isn’t entertaining but the same argument is being made over and over again. The record stands at 31-13 and until the game is played this season I don’t want to hear jack-shit about anything else.
LSU fans can be pretty cool. I walked around before the game last year and ended up with a serloin and a Makers on ice. Y’all should keep that up.
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Hoyt
You shouldn’t use words like “pedantic” or “overwrought” when berating fans from LSU… they find such words difficult and confusing. Also, very few of them own dictionaries, and as such have no means to learn what the words mean. So remember, dumb it down a little bit. Curse more, use big words less.
by Mitch Planey on Aug 11, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
Especially when you spell sirloin incorrectly, Hoyt.
And as of right now, my next car will be a Genesis.
by Role Player on Aug 13, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing...
how LSU fans learn of an infidel questioning their G.A.Y.-given greatness and they come in droves to inflict an coonass jihad against the cup who was simply posting a well played parody of yet another article pushing the same tired old argument that “Ole Miss can’t win because it’s been a long time since they’ve done so.” I know that the original blog post points out a few of our weaknesses such as the loss of Oher (which is pretty huge) and Jerry, but is the loss of one DT in a rotation of about 9 really as devistating to a team when compared to losing what LSU lost on their DL? I personally think the parody does a stellar job of pointing out real weaknesses of LSU with just enough over-the-topness to serve as a humorous counter to the load of shit from the LSU blog.
I think what’s most interesting is the ability of tiger fans (blog commentors) to dismiss half of our team when discussing our rise last season. Things like “well without a transfer QB you’d suck” are truly hilarious. That’s even more ridiculous than the old, “we’d have won if we didn’t turn it over 6 times” argument, and yes I know some of my fellow rebel fans have said that about our two bad SEC losses last year.
Looking at returning coaches, starters, key positions with experience, schedules, etc. it’s hard to see the quest for the west as being more than a 2 team race. Sure LSU will be better, but they have the toughest schedule in the division other than arkansas. Ole Miss and Bama are about even in schedule, but Ole Miss gets them at home and has the obvious advantage of a seasoned QB. We are set up for the perfect season or the perfect letdown if we suffer injuries. only time will tell how it plays out.
one last thing. LSU fans seem to be turning a bling eye to arguably their biggest loss from last year: Colt David. replacing the all-time leading scorer is never easy even if it is the much under appreciated kicker. Obvioulsy, Miles had a lot of faith in him. That 97 yd FG attempt into the wind against the hogs is all the proof you need of that. Seriously LSU, how can you continue to defend the decision making skills of a man that does that? My wife (LSU alum) is still trying to figure out just what the fuck was bouncing around the Miles’ head under that circus tent of a hat. If LSU doesn’t find a steady kicker early, it could be another year of attempting circus plays like the over the shoulder fake FG against Scar in LSU’s miracle run to a second BCS title. Unfortunately for LSU, while those plays worked about 99% of the time in ‘07, the retarded gambles didn’t fool anybody in ‘08; just ask greg hardy who was the recipient of a free sack on 4th and a mile in death valley last year. For any of the chest thumping tiger fans that want to lump David’s departure into the vast caouldron of dismissed losses, go ask florida about the importance of FGs/PATs.
Way too much information, RedStick
Look we all know College Football teams are very hard to gauge from year to year, due to attrition and graduation…along with returning players at skilled positions. But the fact is the Original article was aimed at a Ole Miss team that found a little success last year. And anyone who knows a little about SEC Football, knows that teams that consistently recruit NFL caliber players, have more success. Once you realize that even Nick Saban couldn’t recruit Ole Miss into the top 5 Nationally, the better you will sleep.
And if writing a book about your last win in Death Valley helps you cope with the pain of bottom dwelling the SEC west, than write on.
Ewe r so funneh
Can you at-least come up with something other than “Ole Miss can’t win cause their Ole Miss”. I hate LSU as much as the next Rebel fan… but jesus.. don’t start sounding like Arkansas fans.. you are better than that.
Thanks for further proving my point
the only argument against Ole Miss is that sorry, tired crap that we can’t win because we haven’t in 35 years.
The fact is we have arguably the deepest DL in football, one of the top 5 QBs, this season’s Percy Harvin, one of the deepest stable of RBs in the country, a vastly underrated corps of WRs. Our OL is thin but boasts at least one high Draft prospect, and a Def Backfield that shut down the best WR in the country last year. Most importantly, we have a stellar coaching staff featuring a HC in waiting for OC and Houston Nutt was Saban’s hand picked replacement at LSU before y’all settled on Miles. Now I know games aren;t won on paper but honestly, where do you see Ole Miss falling back to the bottom of the SEC? I mean actual evidence. If you wanna play us down on history, it’ll be all to easy to cite our own less recent history. I mean really the past is the past whether last decade or last century.
Oh and keep regurgitating Finebaum. I’m sure it helps you sleep at night after Ole Miss went into Death Valley and absolutely shamed you to the tune of 31 points and 3 knees on the goal line.
by RedStickRebel on Aug 11, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I ended this!
People! Relax. It’s just a game. Sometimes you win the big trophy and sometimes you don’t. Thanks Poseur for starting this mess. I love it. Red Cup Rebellion is fun too. Keep up the good work guys.
Did I mention those two crystal things? Oh that just kills some people.
Two things:
Learn to use the reply button and no, it really doesn’t kill me that LSU has two BCS titles. Watching Oklahoma and Ohio State lose to any SEC school is a pretty sight.
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 11, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're going to just reply all willy-nilly like that?
Don’t be that guy. We already have a that guy. His name is Gonzohog and he’s been pulling this schtick for a lot longer than you have.
Also, did you honestly just ask who Jay Cutler is?
Red Cup Rebellion - Changing the Culture of Ole Miss Athletics
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Aug 12, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Relax...
The last thing I want to do is go willy-nilly on ya.
Jay Cutler….hmmmmm…didn’t he beat Ole Miss a time or two? :-)
Or is he one of those average NFL QB’s? Can’t remember.
I hate that Gonzohog has a leg up on me.
by Totally Spoil on Aug 13, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
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