Chancellor Khayat: Speaking Truth to ... Somebody
by Ivory Tower on Jun 23, 2009 5:42 PM EDT
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PrintIt's not really speaking truth to power when you are - at least for 7 more days - at the top of the totem pole. So, when Chancellor Khayat confirmed to Athlon what we've all known for a while, it caused more of stir outside Ole Miss circles than inside:
"David Cutcliffe’s last two years we virtually had no recruiting, no signing of people who could play," Khayat says. "It was pretty natural to go for the person who was viewed as the best recruiter in the country. What we didn’t realize was that Ed was going to have so much difficulty coaching."
I have said it before, and I will say it again - if it is ever topical - David Cutcliffe was let go because his health had, at the time, caused him to slow down. The congenial relationship between Coach Cutcliffe and Chancellor Khayat shows, I think, that Coach Cutcliffe recognizes this in hindsight and harbors no ill will. Shrimp'n'Boat, on the other hand, well, I know that I don't care enough even to trade a free bowl of microwaved jambalaya for Ed Orgeron's good will.
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Orgeron left a talented team?
Wow I’m shocked. Combine that with the weak schedule, a turnaround shouldn’t have been too surprising.
Our schedule in 2007 wasn't much more difficult than 2008
but we still managed to lose EVERY single SEC game we played. If you think coaching had nothing to do with Ole Miss’ turnaround then you’re either naïve or delusional.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 24, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
On 2nd thought, it was fairly difficult.
But Porcine, If you could please, answer this question: if O were still our head coach last season how many games do you think we would have won?
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 24, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
See the thing I don't get about the comment
is that, primarily, it has n-n-n-nothing to do with the post. Non sequiters are, around here, though, pretty common, so we’ll let that slide.
What Arkansas fans do, though, is they point out some advantage that Houston Nutt had in 2008, which allowed him to propel the Rebels to the kind of success that ‘Back fans are at a complete loss in trying to explain. And these Razorback fans act as if, somehow, we’ve never considered these built-in advantages. We don’t follow Rebel sports as if they are comic books, and we don’t think that Houston Nutt’s coaching is the radioactive goo that turned pathetically inferior athletes into All-Americans.
But, wait, let me guess – pretty soon we’ll see how awful he really is? Is that what you were going to say? Or were you going to say that you could have won with Orgeron’s recruits? No? Well, then, why don’t we just start talking about how awesome Bobby Petrino is.
Destroying your traditions since [YEAR REDACTED].
At least 8
The key was Snead being eligible. He beats Memphis, Monroe, and Samford. In 07 They lost to Florida by a whopping 6 points, a win here is 08 in not out of the question. Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, and MSU all had major dropoffs from 07.
I disagree.
With O, they would have been lucky to win six. The team had no chemistry or motivation. That stuff is important, y’know?
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 24, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You're a fag. Also, I have a logical counterargument.
Florida lost 4 games in 2007, including a Michigan team at which I could have fucking walked on and done OK. They lost one and won the national championship in 2008. And real life football isn’t played on Playstation. Florida won’t beat an inferior opponent by 7 touchdowns if they aren’t motivated, or if the inferior opponent has some key matchup advantages. Florida probably didn’t care that they only beat us by 6 in 07, just that they got a road victory in the SEC. We lost every fucking close game we played in under Orgeron except for a Memphis game or two and the Vandy game that we won. Those games should not have been close. I still lament the total screw-job of the 07 Bama game, The Worst Officiating Mistake In The History Of Sports, and that’s giving Doyle the benefit of the doubt (I think his actions are demonstrably criminal, but that’s just me… and everyone else with a fucking set of eyes). So tell me, does Orgeron beat LSU, Arkansas, Florida, or Texas Tech? I think he beats exactly zero of those teams. To me, the only complaint that Arkansas fans can make about Nutt’s tenure there was his recruiting. He straight up beat tons of more talented teams. Maybe he dropped a few games against slightly less talented teams, but he’s known as the coach you don’t fucking want to play if you’re in the top 10, period. It feels good to have that guy on the sideline, especially compared to a guy whose character is questioned by the Atlanta Fucking Falcons. Good day, sir.
by Whiskey Wednesday on Jun 25, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
bravo
hard to really add anything to that; you sad it all.
by RedStickRebel on Jun 25, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Bravo.
Did you think that up all by yourself?
No
He read it in a book somewhere.
What the hell kind of question is that? “Bravo. I have no retort.”
by Juco All-American on Jun 25, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I can retort anything.
Contrary to to the belief of Ole Miss fans, I am not obsessed with Nutt or anything he does. I just come here when I get really bored. He supported his argument about Orgeron by talking about Nutt’s recruiting and the Falcons, which has nothing to do with Orgeron.
The difference was closing...
Orgeron’s never ending string of moral victories would have still kept us in the same losing pattern. You can’t count the 6 point UF loss last year without also pointing to the fact that we were 7 points away from overtime with Northwestern State University. The wins that we did have this past year were not 3 point wins, they were decisive victories. Orgeron never came close to that value.
You just described Houston Nutt.
You’re oversimplifying it if you think he would have kept losing because he had been. He inherited no talent, therefore, it would take 3-4 years to build his team. Guess what? 2008 would have been his fourth year. Wow, what a coincidence. Considering the 08 schedule was much weaker than 07, it made for perfect timing.
Orgeron was not head coach material. He made the same mistakes in year 3 that he made in year 1.
Nutt has leared from his mistakes and was already a very good motivator.
We would have been better than 07 (where we won ZERO fucking sec games) because there was no where to go but up!
We wouldn’t have been 9-4 with wins over UF, LSU, and TTU. We may have gone to Shreveport.
Inform me.
I am unaware.
Give me some examples.
by Juco All-American on Jun 25, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my favorites
Is seeing a running back run up the middle on 3rd and long. I have never seen this succeed and doubt I ever will.
Most of the alleged 'truths' you've (UPig fans) have proclaimed about Nutt have been proven to be falsehoods
So I’m not going to chalk a whole hell of a lot into that statement. He’s proven y’all wrong so far and made y’all just look silly honestly.
http://realhognews.blogspot.com/
What has been proven wrong?
The existence of that site
is so sad. The “factual” backing for everything is just what that author SAYS happened.
by Juco All-American on Jun 26, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
And
I don’t care what Mitch Mustain SAYS happened. He’s a basketcase.
In case you missed it, he’s fourth string at USC and FAILING OUT OF SCHOOL.
by Juco All-American on Jun 26, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
HOLY SHIT IT IS POSTED ON THE INTERNET NOW!!!
IT HAS TO BE TRUE! Holy shit those documents are even in PDF format!
That site is pages upon pages of “he said she said.” Yeah, I’m sure the articles and emails are accurate, but to what you linked is NOT a neutral, objective site which uses accurately cited evidence to demonstrate a point.
Let me go ahead and set up a straw man:
“Lmao but neether is this one u dumb fuckin’ RABBUL!!!1”
Yeah, I know that. We never said it was.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 26, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you a ri-tard?
how the hell is the 08 schedule easier than the 07? we played all of our hardest games on the road. Florida (the National Champs), LSU (who had a 5 game streak over us), Arkansas (who also had a nice streak against us), Bama (Tuscaloosa is well known as a graveyard of Ole Miss Football Seasons past). I’ll give it to you that Auburn and LSU were down a bit this year, but shit, how can you call a season where you play road games against two teams that were ranked #1 at some point in the season an easy schedule?
by RedStickRebel on Jun 25, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It's called research.
Both years they beat the 3 non-conference patsies, and lost the to the good ones, Missouri, who went 12-2 in 07, and Wake Forest, who went 8-5 in 08. Advantage 07.
They dropped Georgia, who went 11-2 in 07, for South Carolina, who went 7-6 in 08. They lost both games. Advantage 07.
They played 5-7 Vandy in Nashville in 07, played 7-6 Vandy in Oxford in 08. They lost both games. This would be a push.
After losing a lot of close games in 07 in a transition year, Alabama was much improved in 08 and like Ole Miss, benefited from an unusually weak division. Advantage 08.
Arkansas went 8-5 and the Cotton Bowl in 07, 5-7 in a rebuilding 08. Advantage 07.
Auburn goes 9-4 and a Peach Bowl in 07, a 5-7 disaster in 08. Advantage 07.
In 07 LSU goes 12-2 and wins the national championship, 8-5 and couldn’t play defense when it counted in 08. Advantage 07.
Mississippi State goes 8-5 and a Liberty Bowl in 07, 4-8 in 08. Advantage 07.
That brings us to Florida who 9-4 in 07 to 13-1 and a NC in 08. Advantage 08. With Snead at qb instead of, i think it was Seth Adams, they win in 07 too. I watched that game, they could move the ball but couldn’t punch it in.
Only Florida and Alabama were better. In 07 all of Alabama’s 6 losses were by 7 points or less, otherwise they may not make the list.
Vandy 07 vs Vandy 08 isn't a push
and don’t utilize impossible hypotheticals (if Ole Miss had Snead in 07) as a part of your argument. It weakens your stance all around.
I do agree that the Ole Miss 07 schedule was tougher than the Ole Miss 08 schedule. But to call the Ole Miss 08 schedule “easy” isn’t exactly accurate.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 25, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is it not a push?
Arguing that Snead is a much better qb is not a weak argument.
It's not a push because Vandy in 08
was ranked number 15 at one point and actually WON A BOWL GAME! Vanderbilt. WIN. GAME. BOWL. Those four words have never been strung together in a majority of our lifetimes. Don’t be silly.
And you weren’t just arguing that Snead is a better QB, you were trying to prove your point using a scenario which, at the time, was FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE! Saying “if Ole Miss had Jevan Snead in 07” is like saying “if Ole Miss had a rhinoceros at tailback.” It is a situation which could have never happened, thus making it a silly argument at best.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 25, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Jevan Snead was a major reason for the turnaround.
He went there to play for Orgeron, who has receeved little to no credit. I didn’t realize this was so complicated.
Jevan Snead
HATES PLAYING FOR KENT AUSTIN!
No.
by Juco All-American on Jun 26, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Receeved?
Is this Gonzo’s other screen name?
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 26, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You obviously are new here.
We talk grammar smack around here like it’s our fuckin’ job. It’s our schtick. Either deal with it or use spell check.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 26, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya, Porcine...
there is no need to be ignant!
Question: did you really just try to use a website called, “Flame Warriors,” in an authoritative manner? Just wondering…
I was pointing out how lame calling out grammar is.
It appears, however, that it seems to be their thing.
Hey man,
you’re kind of like the negative corollary to Groucho Marx. He said he wouldn’t want to be in the kind of club that wouldn’t have him as a member.
I say that to say this: you’re the one who joined our lame club. That makes you like, Optimus Lame or something.
Destroying your traditions since [YEAR REDACTED].
by Ivory Tower on Jun 26, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Calling out grammar
has been considered lame on every board I have ever visited, but hey, whatever you guys want to do.
This isn't f-ing Hogville.
We care about the English language.
by Juco All-American on Jun 28, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And I thought this was a sports board.
No wonder this board only has 6 or 7 people on it. No need to waste my time here. Props to those how who provided solid rebuttals.
Listen up clown;
when you joined this site, you agreed to, amongst other things, the following:
Second, please check your posts and comments for grammatical and spelling errors. We are not kind and if you say something we disagree with while confusing “you’re” with “your,” we will mock you.
Whether you like it or not, people will judge you by your use of the English language. In real life, people who can articulate themselves succinctly and clearly in both writing and speaking go far. People who don’t are hardly taken seriously. You will learn this once you finish your sophomore year in high school.
Call it “lame” all you want, but you’re actively choosing to post here and be a part of the site. So, your choices are to either straighten up or shut the fuck up and deal with it when we call you out.
Long story short: if you want us to take you seriously and respect your opinions you’re going to need to stop making yourself look like a damned MORON.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 28, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
In a little over a year...
330,000 unique hits.
We have 6 people who have each been to the site 55,000 times total… from 100 different computers per day.
by Juco All-American on Jun 28, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The Arkansas board hasn't taken off yet
So I hang here until then.
If they need help with learning to write, or to use the Internet, we'd be happy to help... :)
by Whiskey Wednesday on Jun 25, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he's talking about ArkansasExpats.com.
Those guys aren’t half-bad. Porcine, maybe you should head over that way and help ’em “take off.” Having that been said, the fact that their being new will keep you away from the site in favor of a school of which you are NOT a fan demonstrates that your real obsession lies with Houston Nutt.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 25, 2009 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I did post over there.
The only response was about Kentucky quarterbacks. We don’t play them so what do I care?
Learning how to cope with ignorrance...
Porcine,
I see you’ve caught on nicely to the defiance of these guys comments. If it makes no sense, these guys are cool with it.
Let me give you the perfect example of what i’m talking about:
In a comment stated above, Ghost said "and you weren’t just arguing that Snead is a better QB, you were trying to prove your point using a scenario which, at the time, was FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE! Saying “if Ole Miss had Jevan Snead in ’07” is like saying " if Ole Miss had a rhinoceros at tailback". It is a situation that could have never happened, thus making it a silly argument at best."
Notice how saying that Jevan Snead being the QB in ‘07, is not the same as Orgeron being the head coach in ’08. (hypocritical statements here are the norm)
I wonder how many games Houston Nutt would have won with Seth Adams in ’07, with Jevan Snead sitting out the season? Since that was not possible, I suppose that means the argument Ghost made about Orgeron not winning as many games as Nutt did in ’08 was silly at best also.
Orgeron had 3 years to improve his coaching, (learn from his mistakes) while Nutt was given an unbelievable 10 year pass by the “good ’ol boys club” at the UofA.
If Orgeron had been given at least one more year, no one really knows what might have happened, but considering the lack of talent Nutt had coming back for his ’08 Razorback squad, I’d say there was a pretty damn good chance Orgeron could have taken his Rebels into Fayetteville and beaten Nutt in ’08.
Ghost,
Thanks for making yourself look silly.
GO HOGS GO!!!!! BEAT OLE MISS!!!!!
There, that’ll get ’em squaking again.
Christopher Martin Gonzalez
Seriously? "I’d say there was a pretty damn good chance Orgeron could have taken his Rebels into Fayetteville and beaten Nutt in ’08."
0 % chance of that happening.
Nutt 44, O 8
Nutt 38, O 3
Nutt 28, O 17
No way in hell. Get real man.
Exactly.
Nutt freakin’ owned O every single time he played him.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 27, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly hell...
Orgeron never played Nutt when HIS recruits were very experienced, and when some of Nutt’s VERY BEST talent had left the UofA program.
We also never got to see what Orgeron could do with a talented QB.
The difference is like apples and oranges.
That’s not to say the ‘ol shrimp boat captain would’ve duplicated what Nutt accomplished with HIS recruits, but I still say it’s a safe bet to say that his ‘08 record would’ve been a hell of a lot better than the one posted in ‘07.
What was Arkansas going to beat Ole Miss with in ’08, fucking cheerleading?
Oh yeah, I can just see it now.
FIRST OFFENSIVE SERIES: Don’t worry about trying to get Micheal Smith out into the open space, where he can actually use his outstanding speed. (a Petrino led offense)Let’s get our “busdriver”/#1 Dick to hand him the ball up the middle on 3rd and 4. That’ll get ‘em!! (Nutt led offense)
SECOND OFFENSIVE SERIES: "If we find ourselves facing 3rd and 4 again, we’ll post up Marcus Mon…wait a minute, he’s not here anymore…eh, I mean Reggie Fish on a reverse. If he doesn’t fumble, we should be ok…"
I mean really. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!
Tell me guys, name me just one weapon Nutt would’ve had in this fantastic arsenal of offensive doom, besides a 173 lb. Micheal Smith, and a 159 lb. Reggie Fish?
Someone please enlighten me with a list of names the Razorbacks had on their offense that would’ve stood up to the ’08 Rebel defense.
Remember now, before you post, this is a running offense with a “busdriver” playing the QB position, Very little passing, (3rd and long only) with most of the running plays going over right or left tackle, with an occasional mis-direction, dump pass to the TE on 3rd and 10. Very little depth on the D-line, very little experience with the LBs.,and very little talent in the D-secondary….. Fire away! and please be specific.
Christopher Martin Gonzalez
I haven't studied your program
like you have studied ours.
I think Michael Smith isn’t too bad a halfback. I know you said not to mention him, but it would certainly have been a one-pony show. I will not dispute you. Houston Nutt did a poor job of recruiting during his final years at Arkansas. Does anyone disagree with that?
by Juco All-American on Jun 28, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You said:
Someone please enlighten me with a list of names the Razorbacks had on their offense that would’ve stood up to the ’08 Rebel defense.
I’ll bite. The 08 Rebel D had the edge on the 08 Razorback O, but if Orgeron were still our coach we would have been lucky to score 10 on you. He couldn’t put together an offense in a life-or-death situation.
Also, I like how you mention the ‘08 Rebel defense as a legitimate force while trying to downplay coach Nutt’s recruiting.
The Ole Miss D in 2007 was:
-11th overall in the SEC
-11th “best” rushing D in the SEC
-I’m guessing somewhere close to the bottom in TFL
The Ole Miss D in 2008 was:
-5th overall in the SEC
-2nd best rushing D in the SEC
-Best in the SEC in TFL
So, tell me Gonzo, what’s the X-Factor there? Could it be Tyrone Nix? No! Never! Houston Nutt NEVER lets his staff work. He’s a micromanager, right? So really then, it MUST be Houston Nutt!
Or wait, it must be O’s players… You all say that as if 2007’s squad wasn’t also a team made up of O’s players.
The stats are courtesy of SECSports.com so I’m pretty sure they’re accurate.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 28, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
There was also a reason why Ole Miss wasn't picked last, and it damn sure wasn't because of Nutt!
Christopher Martin Gonzalez
Like I said before, Ghost, the ‘08 team was more experienced, had a very talented QB, (which Orgeron never got to use) and Orgeron was only in his 3rd season.
That may have been sufficient for you, but from my standpoint, Orgeron would have done much better with his offense in the ’08 season.
As far as just researching Ole Miss goes, your wrong. I research the majority of the teams in this league with regularity.
Vanderbilt and Kentucky are not very interesting to me on a yearly basis, while Miss. St. seems to have lost their luster just a bit since Jackie Sherrell parted ways, but as I was saying before, you could see the Ole Miss defense starting to peak in ’07, while Orgeron’s future QB sat and watched.
It’s really a no-brainer. All you have to do is accept the truth that the Rebels were going to be better no matter who was coaching.
It’s very easy to sit there and applaud Nutt for doing something Orgeron never got the opportunity to do.
I would enjoy the convenience of getting to do that while you still can if I were you. You won’t get to enjoy doing it for long, because Ole Miss won’t live up to the expectations in ‘09.
By the way, Ghost, your stats are worthless at best, considering the argument.
There are no stats existing that suggest the ’08 Rebel squad wouldn’t have been much improved over the ‘07 squad under Orgeron.
The only reason you like to promote Nutt so well is because you can temporarily get away with it.
I wonder what Nutt’s Ole Miss resume would look like 9 years from now?
Christopher Martin Gonzalez
Yeah.
The rebels would have been better this season no matter what. However, I think that we could only have expected 6 wins. 7 max.
by Juco All-American on Jun 29, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no question...
that we lose that game against Florida. In fact, we are never in that game. We lose miserably, lose to USC, lose to Alabama, and lose to your Hogs (especially since we are going up against Nutt with O). We might even lose to a terrible Auburn team. That leaves us on a six-game losing streak or a 1-5 streak with mighty confidence booster USM to play. We beat them, but probably lose self-esteem because at some point it looks like we may lose. Then, we probably lose to LSU and still beat State – ‘cause who doesn’t?
Best case, 6-6, but most likely, 5-7 (we beat either Auburn or LSU). I think Juco is being generous.
Our teams were completely demoralized during the O error
I know the talent was there, and not only was the coaching ability upgraded in hiring Nutt over O, but also the ability to motivate.
There was a quote from Kentrell Lockett about the change – Under O they hated coming to meetings and practice, whereas under Nutt it was ‘like coming to a party every day’.
O's great QB
No one is arguing that O recruited an amazingly talented QB in Jevan Snead, but even if O has been around to use him, it still would not have been like the 08 season with Nutt. Nutt and Co. managed to develope Snead (something O could never even think about), and that is why Snead experience vast improvement throughout the season. Sure there were moments of something spectacular early on, but O would have just hoped it all worked out while Nutt and Austin helped Jevan become the second best QB in the nation. Having talent does not equal having good teams. Sure it helps, but there’s a helluva lot more to doing well in the SEC than stacking a team with 3 and 4 star recruits.
Maybe
You try dealing with the Kafka-esque ordeal of city parking and public transportation and see how you feel.
Public transportation?
With all the riff-raff? That’s so…. common.
by Juco All-American on Jun 30, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
"Orgeron would have done much better with his offense in the ’08 season."
Do you mean to suggest that O would have done better than Nutt in 08, or simply that Ed O in 08 would have been better than Ed O in 07?
If it’s the latter, I bet you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who disagrees. If it’s the former, then you’re being stupid again.
And, seriously Gonzo, c’mon…
The only reason you like to promote Nutt so well is because you can temporarily get away with it.
Or how about the fact that his tenure has seen the most positive media coverage and highest rankings our program has seen since the 1960’s? Do you not think that has anything to do with it?
You Arkansas fans act like we’re morons for enjoying the opportunity to bask in the glow of mainstream media love.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 30, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand the "love", Ghost.
The point your missing here is that Orgeron is much better recruiter than Nutt, while Nutt is a much better motivator then Orgeron.
Either way, your going to be missing something in the long run.
Do you honestly think Razorback fans weren’t estatic about Nutt’s first two years coaching at the UofA?
We were CRAZY about him, but once we seen his most sucsessful years came after motivating someone elses recruits, we lost our luster for his idiotic giddiness, lack of a strong stance on disapline, and just flat out realized this cat only believes he can call plays in his own fucking mind. Never, and I mean NEVER being able to develope a consistant QB over a 10 year tenure was #1 on a lot of people’s list.
Hey there’s no denying Nutt is a player’s coach, because he is one in his own mind.
Lack of the football program’s control under Nutt will catch up to him over time, somehow the players will lose focus, and the now giddy Ole Miss faithful will…..you know, lose faith.
No need to worry though guys, i’m sure your Rebels still have a couple of years left to actually do something. I mean after all guys, the shrimp boat captain did leave Nuttball a real QB.
Christopher Martin Gonzalez
The point your missing is that while Nutt may not have recruited as well as he could have at UPig he brought in a top notch class
for us this year. People don’t change maybe, but they can learn from their mistakes.
We are not worried about qualifiers, the top echelon of the class, for the most part, is in very good shape. I think its pretty well sorted out.
We should be able to parley our success of last year into another good class this year.
He’s brought in a good QB developer (we hope anyway, so far as good, and we have a couple of good young ones backing Snead up).
So far we haven’t had off season problems. And lord knows O did not recruit “character” whatever that is.
If Nutt has the kind of success here that he had at Ark we’ll be thrilled. As everyone likes to point out we are the only team not to make it to Atl.
If he doesn’t get us over the hump, yes we’ll be calling for a change. We just won’t have that batshit crazy jilted ex-girlfriend feeling towards Nutt.
You will if your AD is batshit crazy enough to keep him around for 10 fucking years!
Christopher Martin Gonzalez
Here's a reasonable question for any Ole Miss fan:
If Houston Nutt leads his Rebels to back to back 4-7 seasons in his 7th and 8th years at Ole Miss, you will all be thrilled? And if they go 8-4 in his 10th season, with the best backfield in the country, not to even mention the fact they still can’t fully defelope a QB or pass the football, it’ll be good enough, right?
That’s a long, long time after the honeymoon guys. Let’s here some reasonable anwers.
Christopher Martin Gonzalez
He didn't turn in back-to-back 4-7 seasons.
He went 5-6 then 4-7.
I would certainly be calling for change at that point, though not necessarily firing Nutt. Also, if he followed up those two seasons with a season of 10-3 and a season of 8-4, I would be thrilled.
I realize that he had the best backfield in the country at that point, and you’re right in that he didn’t produce as well as he should have with those backs, but it’s still an 8-4 season. If you’re a school with the reputation of Arkansas (or Ole Miss for that matter), you just can’t fire someone for winning ONLY eight games.
I agree with what Nutt has said numerous times. It was time for change for both Arkansas and Nutt. Both ended up good for it.
by Juco All-American on Jul 4, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad
Juco,
Your right about the losing records. (5-6/4-7)
Their a direct result of stubborness and terrible playcalling by a head coach hell bent on calling his own plays.
I have no faith in Houston Nutt as a playcaller.
If history tells the tell, there will be games in the very near future that’ll leave you scratching your head, saying “what the fuck was that, Nutt ?!”
When that happens, remember who you heard it from.
Maybe they’re more coaches involved with the playcalling process now, but last I heard, Nutt was calling the plays again.
Christopher Martin Gonzalez
I guess that the reason I have trobule believing you
is that what you’ve described didn’t happen a single time last season. I thought each game was called almost perfectly.
I will say that I immediately knew that we left too much time on the clock for Wake Forest, but when you have to score a touchdown to win, there’s only so much clock control that you can do.
by Juco All-American on Jul 6, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Playcalling?
Nao your grapsing at straas, Gonzo. We only lost games because of players giving up the ball or not showing up at all (see: Vandy and South Carolina) or players not being able to make a final stand or drive in a difficult situation (see: Wake and Alabama). Playcalling never played a roll in any of our losses.
Kwit bea’en tso cillee!
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