Rebels to Win 7 or 8 Games
Recently, while perusing the inter-tubes, as I like to do, I stumbled upon a very knowledgable post that analyzes the way our season will play out.
Read it... Go ahead, we'll wait right here...
You read it yet? Ok, great, now read the remainder of my entry. Please.
Well surprise, surprise! An Arkansas fan, Pork Roast, believes that we will have a disappointing season and win seven or eight games. Maybe he's bitter because we went 6-0 against Arkansas in money sports this year. But enough with ad hominem (and somewhat straw-mannish) arguments. Let's talk about this logically. I'll go through each assertion he makes and discuss it.
Chances are, if everyone is selecting you as their "sleeper" to win your division, league, etc, you're not a darkhorse. You're certainly not a sleeper. Just like everyone has their favorite 8 seed to go deep in to the NCAA basketball tourney, all the pundits are trying to show just how insightful they are by picking Ole Miss to be the "surprise" winner of the West in 2009. It'd be wise, however, to temper your excitement for dropping the Ole Miss bomb at the water cooler tomorrow. Your friends won't remember when Herbsreit lays an egg, but they'll definitely be pissed at you if they take your "Ole Miss knowledge" and parlay it into owing some guy named "Tony No-Neck" last month's salary.
The article is starting out fairly enough. Ole Miss is being picked as a dark horse by far too many pollsters and analysts. However, to compare someone raking Ole Miss in the lower half of their preseason top-10 to "everyone(s)...favorite 8 seed...in to the NCAA basketball tourney" is flawed. The 8th seed in March is generally understood as being around the 30th best team in the nation. If this were basketball, Ole Miss would be a two or three seed. Also, you're right that many of your friends won't remember when Herbstreit lays an egg, but your friends who are Rebel fans will remember him being one of the only major pundits to pick the Rebels to defeat the Red Raiders in the Cotton Bowl. Sorry, just have to give props to the out-of-left-field Rebel fan on the College Gameday Crew.
What's not to love about picking the 'Rebs as this year's West winner? They've got everyone's pre-season pick for top QB to be drafted in Jevan Snead. They came out of nowhere to beat Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl last year. Hell, Ole Miss was the only team to manage to take out Florida in 08.
What is he doing? Discounting his argument before he makes it?
There's a little more to this story, however. The Rebels got beaten by a pretty awful South Carolina squad in 08, they struggled with Arkansas, and looked pretty bland against a very pedestrian (I'm being nice AU fans) Auburn squad. Sure, they gave Bama a scare, but this came after being down 24-0 at one point. Add losses to Vandy and Wake, and you really have to wonder what all the national pundits are thinking.
I would argue against this. 7-5 (4-4) does not an awful South Carolina team make. Sure, our secondary looked like that of a high school team during that game, allowing a career-record of passing yardage to Chris "I'm now at Alabama to play baseball" Smelley, but we lost due to two costly fumbles and an untimely pick. Ole Miss wasn't making those mistakes at the end of the season, and one can't assume that they'll be making them when they see South Carolina next. It would be faulty to assume they won't turn the ball over against South Carolina as well, but Dexter McCluster appeared to finally have that whole "hold onto the ball when it's in your hands" thing figured out midway through the year.
Also, you mention that Ole Miss struggled against Arkansas and Auburn right before failing to ennumerate that the Rebels won both games. Ole Miss led 20-7 against Arkansas until there was 4:28 left in the game. Arkansas converted an onside kick late in the game and was still unable to come back against the Rebels. This seems a lot like the Alabama game that the writer so quickly discounts. One team had a large lead at one point in the game and then saw it nearly slip away. If one play had gone differently, the game would have a different outcome.
Ole Miss' defense played its worst game of the season against Auburn and still produced a 17-7 victory.
I've heard how the losses came early, and how the team really started to gel under Snead late in the season. I see it as more than a coincidence that Ole Miss started to gel late as they faced teams with secondaries offering wet toilet paper type resistance. Now consider the loss of Mike Wallace (one of the all-time underrated SEC WRs), FB Jason Cook, and 3 starting OLs (Oher, Miller, Harris) and things aren't looking so rosy. Snead is good when he's got Shay Hodge on one side and Wallace on another. Now he's only left with Hodge and McCluster. McCluster isn't an every down WR either. With Ole Miss breaking in new players on 60% of the offensive line, and losing it's regularly contributing fullback, the only running game the Rebels may have will involve Snead...who will be doing so, for his life.
Yes. It's important that the losses came early. Sure, it could be that the losses stopped when Ole Miss started playing teams like Auburn, Arkansas, LSU and Texas Tech. It could also be that the team came together and started to understand what it took to win football games. Why is this such a bizarre or impossible concept?
Dexter McCluster didn't take a college snap at halfback until last season. He was an every down receiver until last year. What makes the author think that he is not capable of being an every down receiver anymore? Also, while you never know the impact of an inbound recruit, five-star WR Patrick Patterson has his grades in order and will be in Oxford in July. Why assume that he can't contribute? I've seen the guy play and it's not difficult to marvel at his hands. Also, Markeith Summers really came on strong at the end of last season, grabbing four catches for 85 yards in the last three games. Remember, he was the fifth option at receiver. I just don't think we'll have much trouble at receiver. Jevan Snead's arm should also help a good bit to mask any trouble at the position.
And this one really blows my mind. We won't have Jason Cook which discounts our running game? Jason cook was a no go in the Cotton Bowl, a game in which the rebels pounded out 223 rushing yards behind the balls-to-the-wall blocking style of Andy Hartman. Bolden has publicly said that he prefers running behind Hartman because of how aggressive he is as a lead blocker. We return our top FIVE rushers from last season, and two of those five were freshmen who should see their skills develop with more quality practice time. We will not have trouble running the football. I would submit that no Houston Nutt coached team ever will.
Defensively, the news is hardly better. Hardy gets all the press, because he gets sacks. But the heart of that defense was Peria Jerry. You know it, I know it, and Reb fans know it. Jerry's gone. And he took Bowers, Fein, Mouzon, Sanford, and Palmer with him.
NOOOO! NOT CHRIS BOWERS! Serioulsy, Pork Roast? Chris Bowers was a third string DE for his entire career (save when he started in Orgeron's first season). Dustin Mouzon was a second string CB in a bad secondary. Ashlee Palmer, while good, lost his starting spot to Patrick Trahan. Tony Fein was a backup MLB. Jamarca Sanford saw his snaps cut on coverage downs in favor of a sophomore Johnny Brown. Yes, Peria Jerry was a beast, but the defense didn't lose much in terms of major contribution other than Jerry. We will have a few DT's who can come together and somewhat-fill his vacancy and, so long as a vocal senior steps up, his leadership capabilities can be covered.
The guys running the show in Oxford aren't idiots. They knew it was coming, so they lined up a who's who of irrelevance and inept for the 09 out of conference schedule. Read the list of OOC opponents, and know that somewhere in Jackson, MS, a high school kid is hoping his upcoming football season can be so easy. Ole Miss starts out with the obligatory snooze fest against the Memphis Tigers, then rounds out their murders row of pee wee non-league rivals: UAB, Northern Arizona, and Southeastern Louisiana. Let the season ticket holders rejoice!
Yeah. Because they knew the team would be bad, they scheduled Memphis, UAB, and Southeastern Louisiana THREE YEARS AGO. Sure, the administration really screwed up in scheduling the University of Northern Arizona, but they tried to avoid that. TCU, a top-25 team, backed out of scheduling negotiations at the last second. They also had trouble with other teams due to the uncertainty of the date (since ESPN could not decide when it wanted the Rebels to play South Carolina). Our terrified administration has scheduled teams like Texas, Clemson and Georgia Tech to play in Oxford within the next four years. I guess that means they know we're going to be competing for a national championship at that time. YIPPEE!!!
Ole Miss has 6 wins baked in: OOC (4), Mississippi State, and Vandy. Auburn probably won't be completely ready for prime time in 09, so that makes a potential 7. When Ole Miss hits the meat of their schedule, they won't be battle tested, and they won't have the personnel to keep up with the big boys.
Yeah. I guess our personnel is inferior to Arkansas, South Carolina and Tennessee. I agree that our personnel is inferior to LSU and Alabama, but that's not all it takes to win. First of all, Houston Nutt is a better coach than Les Miles. I don't think many non-Arkansians would argue against that. Hell, most LSU fans wouldn't argue against that. Also, if you think Ole Miss has "gaping" holes in its roster, look at Alabama. They have to break in four new starters on the offensive line, a new quarterback, a new starting halfback, and they lost the quarterback of their defense. Neither of those teams is in better shape than we are headed into the season.
Between Snead running for his life and trying to keep himself from becoming a QB-sized dent in Terrence Cody's belly, and the defense trying to find consistency in new faces, the Rebels are going to struggle. Look for 09 to be a year familiar to Ole Miss fans: 7-8 wins, a mid december bowl game, and a lingering sense of mediocrity.
I just don't understand how he can reach this conclusion after giving us seven "baked in" wins. We won't win a single game that's a toss-up?
It kills me when bloggeurs write about a team they know very little about. What did Pork Roast do before writing this column? Read the Lindy's article on Ole Miss? I'm lead to believe that's exactly what he did since it shares the same level of information with regards to the state of the program.
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Nice analysis of his analysis
Gotta love what some Auburn fan posted in the comments: “The cool thing is, 7-8 wins a year will get Nutt a lifetime contract in Oxford.”
Yeah, that worked out real well for David Cutcliffe.
okay, fess up...
who pissed in this guy’s cheerios?
and Cotton Bowl picks aside, Herbstreit is still the biggest anti-SEC member of the game day crew.
You say that as if he didn't just interview Tebow and Snead as
two of the five best QB’s in the game.
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 10, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
turncoat this year, maybe
but I say it based on years of slanted analysis against the sec.
by RedHighHeels on Jun 13, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
okay
so who you want to beat more next year? Bama hogs LSU?
Also Arkansas fans are by and large PRETTY delusional
"What's got two thumbs and loves boobs? THIS GUY!"
"...Also Arkansas fans are by and large PRETTY delusional"
Welcome to the show, Wallacewade04. We’re glad you’ve figured things out so quickly.
My answer to that question will always be
LSU.
by Juco All-American on Jun 10, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Of the things that he experienced for the first time in late 2008, JUCO is not yet willing to admit to his wife that winning in Baton Rouge was the best.
Drinking Mint Juleps out of engraved julep cups
is up there too…
by Juco All-American on Jun 10, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the worst hangover of my life.
But I had a damn good time getting it. Vomiting in the Backyard Burger parking lot while wearing a suit at one in the afternoon wasn’t so much fun, but other than that, thanks.
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 10, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, Arkansas
because I’m all about some Schadenfreude. Nothing will wrench the Arkansas fans’ souls more than watching Count Giggity defeat Bobby “Jesus” Petrino for the second time in a row.
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 10, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Houston Dale has a bit more of a “Jesus complex” than Petrino. He and Tim Tebow should get a 3 hour block on TBN.
Distinct Difference
Nutt and Tebow talk a lot about Jesus.
Petrino actually thinks he is Jesus – and so do his followers.
by Role Player on Jun 11, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Making my first trip to oxford this year… yeesh
ouch burn, I’m sorry but my world is consumed with insulting Aubs, Vols, and now I’m apparently supposed to hate LSU? I don’t have time to devote hate towards Arky and now I hear that Ole Miss and MSU loathe us
I mean, I can’t type hate everywhere at once…. this is gunna be busy year
"What's got two thumbs and loves boobs? THIS GUY!"
by Wallacewade04 on Jun 10, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If it makes it any easier...
-We probably sling enough LSU hate for you to let that go.
-MSU is not worth the time. I have not thought about that school since we played them in baseball weeks ago. I’m surprised the cowbell-ringers were on your mind.
If you grew up in MS, you'd hate State more.
They’re #1 on my bad list. I plan on droppin’ a deuce on the Junction after we hang 50 on them to end our season.
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 10, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but don't get me wrong...
I do absolutely LOATHE State. There is only one circumstance where I would root for them and that is in the event that they played NMSU (because I grew up in NM).
My point is only that when it comes to slinging hate and talking smack, I get more rise out of supporters other than those of State. Why? Simply because State, its students, supporters and affiliates suck at life, and they know it. On the other hand, if we are playing State, I hate them more than anyone else.
Only some OM fans loathe Bama
I only loathe your sidewalk fans.
by Juco All-American on Jun 10, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Alabama
We never beat those fudgepackers, and they think they’re G.A.Y’s gift to college football.
I’ll be more in-tents for that game than any other this year.
Fuck ’em.
Pig Pen this here's Rubber Duck, and I'm about to put the hammer down.
Ditto
While I’d like to run that table [who wouldn’t?], if I had the magic wand and was told that Ole Miss would win only one of the games against Alabama, Arkansas and LSU, I’d use my wand to flush the most arrogant program/fans in the country.
YAY!
It feels good to be loved!
"What's got two thumbs and loves boobs? THIS GUY!"
by Wallacewade04 on Jun 10, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How about 8 or 9 games
I’ll take that.
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 10, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions
Ole Miss actually turns profit on baseball.
An overwhelming majority of athletic departments CANNOT say such a thing. So yeah, while we’re at home again, it’s still a money sport.
Take a picture, trick.
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Jun 11, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry I missed all of this.
In regard to the article, one should consider the source before getting too worked up about it.
Here’s one for you.
Even though i’m anti-Nutt, through and through, he may actually coach his team to another victory over the Hogs in ’09. There, I said it, happy?
I hope all Rebel fans will enjoy this, because it will likely be the last for a while.
Arkansas is still in rebuilding mode, and with the Rebels getting the Hogs at home this season, it will be tough for the Hogs to win.
Ghost,
You had better hope that prediction of yours comes true, because rebuilding or not, the Hogs will be a very dangerous team this season.
Correct me if i’m wrong, but don’t the Rebs play the Tide before the Hog game?
If history proves correct, with Nutty winning the games he’s supposed to lose, while losing the games he’s supposed to win, you may very well be eating crow on this one. Be careful.
Christopher Martin Gonzalez
Way to go out on a limb there, Gonzo.
Because I’ve watched SEC football all my life, I would never guarantee a win against any team on our schedule (sans the two FCS schools). I get a kick out of seeing Hog fans predict domination in future years when they don’t even know who the hell their coach will be.
It's kinda weird
how OM fans say that they don’t hate Arkansas yet they continue to write about Arkansas, its fans, and its “douche” of a coach in Petrino. If you actually don’t hate us Ole Miss, why do you always write about us?

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