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Rebel Roundup - 10/28/09

 Is Ole Miss for Real Now? | Team Speed Kills
TSK takes a good look at how, against the Arkansas Razorbacks, the Rebel offense looked as people have expected it to look all season.  Year 2 makes a good argument, namely that "UAB isn't good, Arkansas was due for a letdown after a close game against Florida, and Auburn is free-falling, making these weeks--even if Ole Miss beats Auburn handily--poor indicators of just how 'legit' Ole Miss has become."  Basically, we're certainly playing better than we were, but we may not be back to our New Years Day bowl-game winning ways just yet. 

New resoultion aims to increase game day spirit | The Daily Mississippian
This made me smile a gigantic "we are...Ole Miss" grin.  You know, the grin you have when your really awkward cousin does something, well, awkward at the Thanksgiving dinner table?  It's a grin which says "I love you, but you're so damn bizarre, which is kinda why I love you in the first place."  Per the article, the ASB Senate hath decreed politely, yet officially, requested:

that the automated voice that says "Are you ready?" when the Rebels score during a football game be replaced by a human voice [and]...that the university eliminate the "We are Ole Miss" cheer led by a cheerleader with a microphone before the game

The reasoning behind the first is obvious: a robot can't lead Hotty Toddy.  The reasoning behind the second is something which I have been saying all along as my justification for not participating in a true, enthusiastic "we are...Ole Miss," namely that:

the cheer [is] trite, unoriginal and fail[s] to enthuse the crowd

The bit about it being "unoriginal" is where I have my greatest contentions.  The cheer started maybe three years ago and was stolen from Penn State in the first damn place.  They do it right.  We don't, nor should we ever attempt to.  It's like the "heyoooooooooooooooo, R-E-B-S REBS REBS REBS" chant the pushy, wig-wearin' wierdos in the front of the student section sometimes start.  The Kentucky Wildcats and the New York Jets have the market cornered on the "loudly spell a four-letter word before rapidly pronouncing it thrice" cheer.

Ole Miss has a cheer.  It's called Hotty Toddy.  Let's stick with that.

Don't Bet On It | DawgSports
The Mayor timidly selects the Rebels because, as he is ready to admit, he hates Auburn.  I'm a bit surprised he's so nervous to pick Ole Miss because surely he's seen how poor their offense has performed over the last two weeks.

Trahan to Return to Auburn as a Starter | AU Football Notebook
I'm in the throes of a love/hate relationship with sports articles which contain goofy anecdotes.  While it's kinda neat-ish to read about things like Greg McElroy dastardly filching Jevan Snead's t-shirt, it's also absolutely pointless to the actual sport about which I had hoped to read.  This article contains such a cutesey story about how, upon his unceremonious departure from the Auburn football team, Patrick Trahan skipped town without paying his final bit of rent.  Check it:

When Ole Miss linebacker Patrick Trahan comes back to Auburn on Saturday, he better bring his checkbook.  Walt McFadden wants his money back..."He left me with all the rent," the senior cornerback said with a chuckle. "And I had to pay a fine for that. So, hopefully, I can try to get that back this weekend."

Worry not, McFadden!  Trahan is bringing his checkbook.  But, not his Trustmark book.  No no.  This checkbook was issued to him by the First National Bank of Pain.  He'll be sure to give your teammates a few payments of "kaboom" and "oh fuck my legs what happened to them." 

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Re: the "We Are Ole Miss" thing...

If I am correct in my alcohol-damaged memory, it started waaaaaaaaay back in the Sloan days. I hated it then, and I hate it now. I was on staff at the (old, odd, broadcast only on cable service and receivable only with a splitter distributed by the university Housing office when you got your dorm key) campus radio station.

Our call letters then were WCBH, which our program director explained meant “We Can Be Heard.” {those riotous old Ole Miss administrators! ALWAYS so CLEVER in their slogan selections!!!} He told us he was trying to kindle support for “WAOM” which, natch, stood for “We Are Ole Miss.”

Unclever, and less marketable than a football bat.

I felt certain that when Sloan was jettisoned, we’d drop that lame cheer, but here we are nearly 30 years later still watching the cheerleaders awkwardly prance about the field slinging signs around trying to get us to quit sipping our respective drinks long enough to show “spirit.”

[Best old cheer kept for a while, in my opinion: during the Billy Brewer years…jingling the keys toward the end of the game (if we’re winning). Sloan suggested that Hotty Totty was (no, really…I’m SERIOUS here…he actually believed this) too LEWD AND RACY for young people to chant during ballgames, so he suggested students pull out their keys and jingle them signalling it was time for the visitors to start the car and go home…an effort to emasculate the beaten foe. Students didn’t take the bait…in droves. However, when the winning started under Brewer, they DID start to do it for a few years just to spite Sloan.]

"Happiness is riches, complaint is poverty, and the worst I ever had was wonderful." Brother Dave Gardner

by tlcreb17 on Oct 28, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

keys

I’ve always thought this was the most trashy “cheer” – jingling the keys -. I remember all the kids at my high school doing it. But I always took it to mean “I/we drive nicer cars than you”.

by the DMc on Oct 28, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank GOD!

That guy with the mic is the worst idea I’ve ever seen. They copy Bama, Florida, and the numerous other schools. It’s flat out annoying and he looks like a fool! At worst put a hot chicky cheerleader in charge of it. Now that will fire people up!

The We are Ole Miss is as bad as the red, blue they get people to yell also. Why not just play the “With a Rebel Yell” on the loud speaker in full to get everyone pumped and take up the whole horrible 2 minutes of that loser on the mic???

We can then sip on our drinks with the fist pumped in the air to Billy Idol and then let out with a Hoddy Toddy…..

BIB

by Team BIB on Oct 28, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure how you or Ghost is trying to attribute "We Are..."

to a single school. He mentions PSU. You’re talking about Bama and Florida.

Its a common chant. I mean, you can say its mundane and not fun, but don’t try to say we’re copying someone. I would be hardpressed to think of a school that doesn’t employ some variation of this chant. You can’t just dream up one of the more traditionally better teams and say “oh we’re copying them.” That’s like saying no one should wave towels at a game because that’s a Pittsburgh Steelers thing. Or no one should play Queen’s “We Will Rock You” and chant because that’s a _______ thing.

one foot in the grave, one foot on the pedal...

by Bill Fremp on Oct 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, I guess we're just going to have to split hairs here.

I don’t see your argument. Penn State does this chant really well, so we shouldn’t do it? Ok…? Should we abandon the “we just beat the hell outta you” hotty toddy because Rammer Jammer goes really well with that?

Other WAOM haters are saying we should only do “Ole Miss specific” cheers – meaning cheers that only pertain to our school. Meaning only Dixie and Hotty Toddy. Everything else is too…popular? And also, we shouldn’t do WAOM because it never occurs organically, without the help of cheerleaders? Meaning we need to develop E.S.P.,I guess, to telepath our thoughts across the entire field to coordinate the timing on that chant?

Forgive me, but this entire argument just seems arbitrary and silly. Its a chant. When people get into it, it sounds great. Yeah, the guy conducting it is a bit goofy, but if our fans would quit being too cool for school and actually cheer for our football team, it would be a nice addition to the gameday experience. But whatever.

one foot in the grave, one foot on the pedal...

by Bill Fremp on Oct 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not that they do it really well,

it’s that it’s their cheer. It is their Hotty Toddy. You don’t see them starting a cheer like this:

Holly Polly
Good Miss Molly
Who in Hades are we?
Hey!
Flim Flam
Bim Bam
Penn State
By damn!

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 28, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should be careful posting such ideas

Someone in the AD’s office might think that people want to use that as an alternative/addition to Hotty Toddy.

by unidentified black male on Oct 28, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring to the mic thing for Bama and FLA

The stupid mic thing was done for years at Bama and FLA. I actually think it was done so long ago that even they stopped it. But leave it to Ole Miss to revive it for us, YEAH! Maybe they’ll get a Rebellette to do it if we have to have it. Would at least be more bearable.

Now the Hotty Toddy is an Ole Miss thing, Dixie is an Ole Miss thing, the Hotty Toddy on the jumbotron before the game is an Ole Miss thing, etc. Point being is we don’t need any new crap that’s been copied somewhere else…..what we have, the way we do things are great and I love the university very much. We need to focus more on being Ole Miss (on and off the field) and less playcating to the masses on being just another public university….

BTW – What’s so bad about playing With a Rebel Yell to pass the time rather than these worthless cheers? That song gives me memories of Deuce returning the onside kick back in the day for a TD and it raining Bourbon! Oh yeah, and it does actually rain Bourbon, but only when it also rains TDs…….that is exclusive to Ole Miss as well (or at least the SEC).

by Team BIB on Oct 28, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In addition...

I think it is obvious that it is not our cheer because it NEVER naturally occurs in the stadium. Every year that we have done that cheer it has either come from the cheerleaders holding signs or that coupled with duffus on the mike – that bastid gets paid?!?!?

Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be awesome if we had some sort of responsive cheer that got us hyped about who we are, but it will never be ours until its the type of thing our fans do on our own at away games. That means chanting “We are…” and “Blue of Yale, Crimson of Harvard” are out because everyone does that. As of now, Hotty Toddy is that which is us, and though we cannot do it back and forth in the same manner as the other chants, its never-ending use is what shows that its a part of our identity.

by Role Player on Oct 28, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

An excuse for every positive

Goddammit, I’m sick of every win getting pissed on and every loss being the End of Days. What the fuck, exactly, does Ole Miss have to do to earn any lasting respect?

Here have been the most common memes after every Ole Miss game this season:

Rebs 45, Memphis 14: Sloppy thumping of a terrible C-USA school. Meh.
Rebs 52, SELA 6: Get to South Carolina already. Double-meh.
USC 16, Rebs 10: Ole Miss was the most overrated team in the country. They deserve to be crucified. Sowell needs a team beating like Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket. Same ol’ sorry Rebs. Vandy’s going to be tough because they always play hard against Ole Miss. Rebs have very real chance to start SEC 0-3.
Rebs 23, Vandy 7: Hey, even State beat Vandy. Snead’s still bad. Meh.
Bama 22, Rebs 3: Season is all but over now; Snead is hopelessly lost; A thoroughly disappointing Ole Miss team should now be worried about a sneaky-good UAB team that, you know, really ought to be undefeated right now.
Rebs 48, UAB 13: UAB is just another terrible C-USA team. Meh. Did you see the Hogs? They almost beat Florida! They score a ton of points and they’re defense is getting better every game! They’re going to roll over us like the doormats we’ve always been. It could get ugly.
Rebs 30, Arkansas: 17: Hogs were overrated and flat after heartbreaking loss at Florida. They have the worst defense in the SEC. Meh.

So, I predict going forward:
Rebs beat Auburn: Auburn is tail-spinning anyway and out-of-condition. Meh.
Rebs beat N. Arizona: Who? Triple-meh.
Rebs beat Tennessee: Ole Miss held serve at home against a mediocre team that’s rebuilding this year. No surprize here. Meh.
Rebs beat LSU: LSU was almost as overrated as Ole Miss was. Hell, State should have beaten them. Meh.
Rebs beat MSU: So you beat up the second-worst team in the league. Meh.

Rebs beat Ohio State/Iowa/Wisconsin in Capital One/Outback Bowl: This game meant everything to Ole Miss and nothing to the Big 10 school. Whoever we play is overrated and probably bummed they didn’t make it to the Rose Bowl anyway. Meh.

Final record: 11-2
Final rank: Top 12
Final opinion: Ole Miss will certainly take it, but with that easy schedule, meh, they should’ve been even better.

That’s the way it fucking seems sometimes.

Don't try and lay no boogie woogie on the king of rock 'n roll.

by RobRob9 on Oct 28, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

God forbid

We lost to the #1 team in the country and a top 25 conference opponent on the road.

But it’s always been this way. As far back as I can remember, so get used to it.

by Rebels7 on Oct 28, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To take it another step...

Let’s follow the pipe dream logic.
We end up in the SEC Championship Game against Florida.
Rebs beat Florida: Of course we all knew Florida was destined for a loss this season, so many close games. I mean Arkansas would have won if the referees hadn’t been so terrible. Ole Miss was just in the right place at the right time.

Ole Miss goes on to play Cincinnati in the Sugar Bowl.
Rebs beat Cincinnati: Come on… Cincinnati? They were not a real contender. Now beat TCU or Boise State and we’ll talk.

National Championship game between USC and Texas is expected to be a shootout. In reality it goes three overtimes before Texas scores on a botched pitch that the TE picks up and wins 6-0. It’s all Ole Miss’s fault that the National Championship game sucked for screwing up the real good teams’ seasons and accidentally stumbling through conference play after a shaky early season. BCS is thrown out and a playoff system replaces it where the SEC only gets one bid per year into the playoffs. The SEC punishes Ole Miss by falsifying recruiting violations so the NCAA can take away scholarships. Ole Miss never goes to another SEC Championship Game.

Sounds about right ehh?

by unidentified black male on Oct 28, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been there..

…got the t-shirt. You know the mind-set well!!!

"Happiness is riches, complaint is poverty, and the worst I ever had was wonderful." Brother Dave Gardner

by tlcreb17 on Oct 28, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...it certainly has...

…and I can remember being at games with my older brother when he was a student. We’d be ahead two or three td’s and he’d be screaming, “What the hell? How can we leave all those points on the field! We need to beat the HELL OUT OF THEM!!!!{**notedrool at that point running down the chin and veins bulging from his forehead}”

Before AND after the polls came out he was talking down our boys. I think, since he is a child of the 50’s, he is trained to expect as little as possible from the Rebels so as to lessen the pain of a loss (he always expects) or raise the eletion of a win (ne NEVER expects).

Our dad was a student at Ole Miss in the 40’s and enjoyed the successes of the meat of Johnny Vaught’s invincible squads.

Being first generation Post-Vaught, Brother has taught himself that we will never have the successes our father’s Rebels enjoyed, so don’t even try to expect it.

"Happiness is riches, complaint is poverty, and the worst I ever had was wonderful." Brother Dave Gardner

by tlcreb17 on Oct 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent thoughts to unidentified and Rebels7

That truly sums up how I’ve felt about the perpetual ass-raping we receive from the media year in and year out.

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