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Message Board Idiots: Arkansas

From time to time, I take it upon myself to visit the message boards of opposing teams. When doing so, I often stumble upon a few posts that are just too good not to mention on the blog. When that happens, Message Board Idiots is the product. Enjoy.

This week, Arkansas. Yeah. Fish in a barrel.  As Ghost has pointed out, finding Arkansas doing and saying stupid things on the Internet isn't much of a challenge.

Leading off, a few quotes from the greatest message board in the history of the Internet: Hogville.

 

Star-divide

It's actually really difficult to find one single post that can really be torn apart at Hogville. So few of the people who post in that forum are neither capable nor willing to put together a post that contains more than two sentences.  Every message board has posters who just blurb their way around the site, but Hogville contains pages long threads of unoriginal one liners followed by 20 e-pats on the back.  It's just tough to poke fun at someone for saying, "Ole Mess is gonna be texting new coaches after we pour it on that ole pissant!!!! PIG SOOIE!!!!"  It's tough because it presents no real challenge and becomes incredibly boring; and it's tough because, at Hogville, you face a serious dilemma of choice.

 

To really get a feel what insanity manifested into javascript and markup languages looks like, I would encourage all of you to visit Hogville, a site that is actually sponsored by a local television station. Yeah. It's that sad. Many of their posters, two years removed from having him as their coach, have a goofycompletely normal picture of Houston Nutt in their avatar or signature.

Seriously.  And Arkansas fans still wonder why we say they're obsessed with Ole Miss and Houston Nutt.

Here are a few posts that I felt warranted my, err, analysis.

To begin, a classic from Lazarus P. Hog:

The Hogs are gonna mop the floor wet and wax it dry with the Webels! By the 4th Qtr Jevon Sneed will give way to Danny Nutt at Qb!

There are really three things worth mocking with regard to these two sentences.

First, there'sthe fact that Arkansas will "mop the floor wet and wax it dry with the Webels." Of course, there's the obvious use of the word "Webels."  Arkansas fans: please, please stop saying Rebels with a "W."  It reallymakes us hurt inside.  It stings.  I mean, intentionally mispronouncing our name?  How low can you go?! That's as offensive as me calling you "Awkansar."  I'm sorry, but I didn't want to do that just now, but I had to in order to prove a point.  Doesn't it just cut you to the core?

Joking aside, when did someone honestly convince themselves that it was hurtful to us to call us the Webels? It doesn't even have another meaning. It'snot as if they're calling us Ole Piss which, at least, references something unpleasant and smelly. They're just replacing the first letter of our mascot name with a "W."  Who cares?  More importantly, there is the threat that Arkansas will mop the floor wet--as opposed to mopping it dry (a practice commonly referred to as "sweeping")--with the "Webels" before waxing it dry with them as well. I don't understand. We'll be wet. Are you going to apply wax to a wet Webel? Will that even work?

Second, there's the fact that Jevan's name is spelled "Jevon." It wouldn't surprise me if this guy was shocked on Saturday to find out that Jevan is, in fact, a white guy. He'll come back on the board and say, "was Jevon Sneed hurt? PIG SOOIE! TEXT, WOOD, BRUTHA, CALL PLAYS!"  This has been a personal pet peeve of mine because people who, after the guy has started as an SEC quarterback for a year and a half, cannot correctly spell Jevan Snead still expect people to take them and their opinions on football seriously.  If I were an idiot of the message board variety and began making prognostications on Razorback QB "Brian Mallard," should I expect people to actually put stock into what I'm saying?

Lastly, there's the typical mention of Danny Nutt. What is with Arkansas fans and Danny Nutt? They alwaysbring him up as if he's relevant to the program. He's not even a coach. I just don't get it.  They constantly deride the guy before touting his idiocy and uselessness.  It's a real exercise in self-contradiction, claiming to be above the guy, but still displaying behavior typically of feeling threatened by him and his actions or potential thereto.  To Arkansas fans, the guy is Satan.  To us, he's the other quirky guy on the sideline.

Next is this gem from PorkThis:

Nutt and Ole Miss were almost as over rated as Obama.  We see both have taken a meteoric fall in the polls and both will suffer great beat downs in their next contest (Nutt and Ole Miss at the hands of Arkansas, and Obama at the hands of America).

Just... wow. Ugh...  I don't even know where to go with this one.  I'm struggling to avoid revealing any political opinions I may or may not have, so this isn't going to be a long drawn out portion of the post. Suffice it to say that I think it's incredible that Arkansas fans have let the lines blur so much between football coaches and presidents of the United States of America. Perhaps this explains the next piece of idioicy.

This one's actually from NAFOOM. A wonderful Hog poster came on to explain why FOIA requests against a college football coach's text messaging records aren't crazy.  Ole Miss fan Big Slick posited that, "any fanbase that uses the Freedom of Information Act to get phone records on their own football coach (or anyone for that matter) is certifiably bat shit crazy." Gahogfan retorts that,

WTF?

Anyone who uses a lawful process that was designed as a tool to keep government in check is "bat shit crazy"?

Do you even understand the FOIA and it's purpose?

Yeah. FOIA was set up so that you could check who the head coach of a college football program had been texting on his cell phone. That's exactly why it exists. It doesn't have anything to do with terrorism, national defense or uncovering actual crimes that have been commited and orchestrated by government officials.  We Ole Miss fans are apparently too stupid to realize this and just love having our government officials trample all over this by texting smutty things to their galfriends.  Our Constitution is being shredded to bits by these infidelous big whigs and their thumbs!  Thank God for the Freedom of Information Act!  When given a similar response by OP4, the purveyor of NAFOOM, gahogfan responded,

It's absolutely the point. If they get a state cell phone, funded by tax dollars, then that's exactly what the FOIA is for.

And, if you want to get technical, it's an abuse of state property to use it so extensively for personal use. He was using a taxpayer funded cell phone to further his love life, and his pimp limp grew with every text.

The main point here, though, is that Nuttshouldn't have been dumb enough to do it on a state cellphone. How can you feel sorry for a man that makes millions of dollars, yet is too dumb not to get himself a ten dollar a month cricket phone to do his sexting on?

Yeah. I'm sure they didn't spring for the extra 10 dollars a month to make it unlimited calling and unlimited texting. What excites a recruit more than a coach saying, "sorry. I have to get off the phone. I can only allot 10 minutes to you. I have to call all these other prospects this month, and my school is cheap as hell.  And it's a cell phone which may have been funded by State dollars and lord knows the legislature is gonna come down hard on me if I run out of my rollover minutes!"

As for him being dumb to have done it on a cell phone paid for by the state, I agree. But perhaps he didn't realize the level of crazitude that existed in his own fanbase.

Last, but certainly not least, here's the stereotypical fan who talks about why Arkansas is in a better situation than Ole Miss. Hogville user On Your Toes said...

This is exactly what I wanted to have happen to Ole Piss.

Fall in love with Coach Moobs and how he spins things, have a great first season, big bowl win, he is their coach for life.  Next year, huge expectations, epic fail, "Nutt's still our guy."

Sort of a Hillary Clinton, "Stand by your man" thing.

You can have him.

We will never beg for mediocrity.
We will never beg to fall out of the rankings faster than HDN's texting skeels.
We will never beg for lip service coaching.
We will never beg for YOUR coach.

Yes! Ole Piss! Now we're throwing haymakers.

I will say that I had never heard Houston Nutt referred to as Coach Moobs, so he at least gets a point for somewhat original behavior amongst a group of folks not known for their originality. However, I guess I'm just not familiar enough with Nutt's chest. If he has "moobs," I haven't noticed.  And even if he did, he's a man in his 50's.  He can have man boobs if he wants.  It's like fans making fun of Bill Snyder for being old or Mark Mangino for being fat.  It's funny the first two or three times, but after a while it gets boring and juvenile. 

Yeah. This is exactly what you wanted. You wanted us to go 9-4 in season one, with a victory over your own team. Then you wanted us to receive tons of pre-season hype and free advertising for our university for an entire off-season. I'm sure all those things were at the top of your Christmas wish list.

Don't you get it? Yes, Nutt still is our guy. At the risk of making some of the readers here hate me, I want to say something. Schools like Ole Miss, Arkansas, Kentucky and SouthCarolina are far too guilty of not knowing their place. At Ole Miss, we have to come to the realization that we should be happy winning 7 or 8 games a year withthe occasional 9 or 10 win season. In the short term, we do not have the resources to compete with Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, and LSU.  We don't.  Our schools are smaller and located in smaller, more divided states.  It sucks.  It sucks hard.  But those are the cards we're dealt.  I'm personally disappointed at the way the season has begun, but I'm not ready to fire Houston Nutt. The season could still end quite well.  The ship may have had the wind taken out of her sails, but it sure isn't sinking.  I don't ever want to fire a coach who can do something like appear in eight bowls in ten years at Arkansas. Until Nutt has a season the likes of which 40 seasons of mediocrity have brought us to expect, I'm behind him.  He'll keep us competitive. 

I'm also a bit weirded out by the whole Hillary Clinton reference.  So, we're as foolish as the Secretary of State of the United States of America?  Say what you want about her politics, but Hillary Clinton isn't an unsuccessful buffoon. 

As for the rest of what you say, awesome. We won't either, nor have we yet.  We won't "beg" for mediocrity?  Who has and who in their right mind would?

So that's Message Board Idiots ("MBI"). Do any of you have some to share?

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i knew it was coming.

The bane of all existence. Hogville is our OMSpirit. It sucks. That is not your typical hog fan.

as dumb as that shit is, I’m pretty sure “Webels” is another cut on Danny Nutt. People are on that guy for various reasons, including his association with the infamous email, claim to have birthed the wildcat, among other horribly shitty misconceptions that he has used to benefit his self in the past.

by YellowTailSwine on Oct 23, 2009 11:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Mississippi State fans have been saying "Webels" for a while now.

Maybe Danny Nutt has something to do with it on the Arkansas side, but it’s nothing new.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 23, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always thought...

It was some sort of weird refrence to the children’s toys….ya know…. “Webels wobble but they dont fall down”?

by astaylo1 on Oct 23, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

So...

while not your typical Hog fan, they are right about this Danny Nutt obsession? Seriously, the guy is not even an assistant coach at a school that is not your rival.

I’m a pretty rabid SEC football fan, and I promise you I couldn’t tell you where 95% of former Ole Miss assistants are coaching now. Cutcliffe’s assistants? No clue. Orgeron’s assistants? I think there was that one guy who went back and forth from MSU to USM. And that one guy who is coaching HS ball to be closer to his kids.

You people, even the ones who try to go around and do damage control at various opponents’ websites, are irrational. Every last one of you. Please, get past Danny Nutt.

one foot in the grave, one foot on the pedal...

by Bill Fremp on Oct 23, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Danny Nutt “allegedly” robbed people under the guise of paying for his brain operation, which the state paid for the entirety of.

You van say get over this or that all you want, but until Nutt loses to UA or until people get their money back… Most are simply not going to “get over it,” no matter how many times you tell them to.

And I’m sure most will tell you I am most certainly not here for damage control. I’m just smart enough to know what’s blatantly retarded and what’s not.

by YellowTailSwine on Oct 23, 2009 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The robbery claim comes from the fact that Nutt (Danny, not Houston Dale) continued to draw his $100k+ salary after tendering his resignation as running backs coach. The justification for this was that he had some obviously major medical bills coming. At the same time, it was widely believed that the university was also paying for his medical treatments. Some may not see this as a big deal; others do. That’s just the polarizing effect of the Nutt family.

by dxf04 on Oct 23, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it robbery?

Was the university unaware? Have they since filed charges?

by Juco All-American on Oct 23, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

More along the lines of a charity fund that was set up for Danny, where events were held to raise money for his “cause.” every cent went to his pocket.
Calling it robbery is a bit much but when money was never an issue with the whole ordeal, you can make your own judgments. This was when the first “wave” completely turned on the Nuts pros, so to speak. Point is though, Danny was not just an assistant coach here. He made his face known through several avenues.

No clue what the above guy is rambling about.

by YellowTailSwine on Oct 23, 2009 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And I apologize for my auto text feature fucking up my coherence. Such is the challenge of a technologically savant yet cockeyed world optimist like myself.

by YellowTailSwine on Oct 23, 2009 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What do you mean you don’t know what I’m “rambling” about?

by dxf04 on Oct 23, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You missunderstand.

I didn’t say I agreed with it. I couldn’t care less about Danny Nutt. He’s, in a vague way, he’s the anti-Petrino, as he resigned, but never really went away until Houston Dale quit/resigned/was fired/disappeared into a cloud of smoke/whatever you want to call it. As I’ve learned from the fine folks at the Cup, BP has some experience with resignation by note/text message/carrier pigeon/ect, usually after he already has an office in another state.

by dxf04 on Oct 23, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's really nothing I can say to defend any of that

Those message boards are generally dark, scary places that don’t represent any of the Hog fans I know. But, on the flip side, I’m sure there are plenty of examples of things out there that you wouldn’t really want representing Ole Miss.

by John Expat on Oct 23, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh certainly...

and we have blogged about those several times.

But this isn’t Ole Miss Hate Week.

by Juco All-American on Oct 23, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the sake of full disclosure,

here are several examples of us making fun of stupid stuff Ole Miss fans say and do:
One
Two
Three
Four
Five

That took me about 2 minutes to compile. Combing over the sites archives, you’ll see that I am only about ankle deep with those.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 23, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh really?

What ever gave you that fucking idea, Juco? I hate Ole Miss (because of your lousey coach) so fucking bad, it makes me hurt.
Like you, I didn’t experience this feeling until a couple of years ago. (1 1/2 to be exact)
I really don’t have anything against your fans in general, just the administrators of this blog and some of the redicules fans who support it. That’s pretty much where it ends for me.
I really don’t have an obsession with Nutt like most of you seem to think. Only hate and an undeniable desire to see him fail in the eyes of the people who told me last season he was proving me wrong. If I remember correctly, that was a statement made by the one and only Ghost of Jay Cutler.
I believe it was you, Juco, that said I didn’t want to admit that the Rebels were going to be pretty good.
All of you were expecting them to be SEC title contenders after last season, all the while making fun of all those “bat shit crazy” Arkansas fans for running off their coach. “Thanks for the coach”, they said.
Do any of you not realize how fucking stupid that sounds?
You’ve quited down a bit about your coaches and your team since last season. I guess you really have nothing left, except to bash Arkansas fans.
Going to Hogville to get your ammunition is kind of a no-brainer, but let’s not decieve ourselves into thinking that it somehow makes you look smart.

Christopher Martin Gonzalez

by GonzoHog on Oct 23, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cell Phone and Hogville

Respectfully I point out three mistakes to my favorite blog in the SEC outside of Arkansas:

1. You used “Hogville.net” as the standard by which all HOG Fans are measured. That place is a handful of smart, good posters swamped in by an unlimited number of class-skipping college doormats that only desire to get their post count up and pray to one day brag about being a Moderator on the board.

2. I believe that the poster on “Hogville” was saying that besides having his state-issued phone, Houston Nutt should have spent an extra ten dollars on a Cricket phone purely for the enjoyment of texting his “extracurricular” friends.

3. You used “Hogville.net.”

Other than that, great job. Pretty funny.

by Hayden Hodges on Oct 23, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess we could do a segment entitled

“Intelligent and Thoughtful Analysis seen on an Opponent’s Message Board,” but where would the fun be in that?

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 23, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would just like to say that I agree...

with your statement

At the risk of making some of the readers here hate me, I want to say something. Schools like Ole Miss, Arkansas, Kentucky and SouthCarolina are far too guilty of not knowing their place. At Ole Miss, we have to come to the realization that we should be happy winning 7 or 8 games a year withthe occasional 9 or 10 win season. In the short term, we do not have the resources to compete with Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, and LSU. We don’t. Our schools are smaller and located in smaller, more divided states. It sucks. It sucks hard. But those are the cards we’re dealt. /blockquote>

Here’s my take on the Walmartians: They (for the most part, it seems) just don’t understand their size. They are like a chihuahua barking it’s head off at a pack of German Shepards – all the while being held by its owner. No matter how much they think they are big time, they will never be a major program, we won’t either. That’s life – get over it. Arkansans have this HUGE inferiority complex because they have no real identity as a state. They’re not South, not West, not North, not East… just something of a confluence of the four. There isn’t much in the way of significant historical events there, and there isn’t much national notoriety (except for being known as the birthplace of that big blue festering disease known as wal mart). The Razorbacks are the only game in town and it’s all they have to cling to as far as how people from other states identify them. Maybe 40 years ago you could run a big time football program from the comfort of the Ozark mountains, but not any more.

NOTE TO ARKANSAS: you are never going to get the recruits that LSU, FLORIDA, and BAMA get. Accepting that does not mean accepting mediocrity, just ENJOY the Hogs for what they are: a pretty good set of sports teams that you should take pride in win or lose.

Coach Nutt was a great thing for Razorback football, whether Hog fans can admit it yet or not. He is one of their own who won a lot of big games that nobody thought the pigs could win. He brought a lot of notoriety to the program and the state. The fact is, the level of the program when he left was much higher then when he came. Instead of thanks, he gets a knife in the back. “et tu Arky”
 
Hog fans act like they had a chance to land Pete Carroll and had to settle for Coach Nutt. I’ll close my rant with this final message to Hog fans: You are crazy if you can’t see that his ten years was GOOD for the UofA. Let go of the hate.

dismounts soapbox

by Two Stick on Oct 23, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Most of us hate Walmart, too

But it keeps the Ozarks practically recession-proof, which is a fair trade from our (my) perspective.
I fundamentally agree, but the thing about those 9 or 10 win seasons is that they give the fanbase a glimmer of hope, however delusional it may be, because they can always point to two or three moments in the season and say, “If that had gone the other way, we’d be playing for the national championship!” It happened to us in 1998 and again in 2006, and I think that is part of what led to the vitriolic disdain of Houston Nutt. And I get it, he was by far the best Razorback football coach in at least a decade.
     But having said that, (you knew it was coming) Nutt was not and is not as good of a recruiter as Ed Orgeron, and maybe not even Dan Mullen. He let NFL-caliber talent rot on the bench in Tavaris Jackson. His motivational style doesn’t work nearly as well when he’s not the underdog, and he’s never been accused of being a master of X’s and O’s. I’m not even sure he can spell X’s and O’s.
    Despite all that, Ole Miss is going to win tomorrow, maybe big. We don’t have a tackle that can compete with Greg Hardy, and we don’t have half the secondary that SC or AL had. Our best receiver had a stroke and our best running back is too small to be the primary back two years in a row in the SEC.
   Enjoy it, because after this year, Arkansas won’t lose again as long as Petrino’s here and Nutt’s there.

by ArticulatePigFarmer on Oct 23, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some fans refuse to give up.

It’s pretty sad that programs like Ole Miss believe they’ll always be mediocre, but when you just invested good money into a mediocre head coach, I can see where the idea comes from.
Arkansas, on the other hand, is a step ahead of the mediocre game. That’s why A.D. Jeff Long went out and worked his ass off to bring in a great coach.
That’s also the reason Arkansas is already better than Ole Miss.

Christopher Martin Gonzalez

by GonzoHog on Oct 23, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Eight bowls in ten years is not mediocre.

In fact, it’s good; not amazing, not elite, but good. Very few teams can boast having gone to eight bowls from 1998 to 2007.

by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 23, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm....

What has BP done to show he is a “great” coach??? He won in the Big East….yay? Teams that did not exist in D1 12 years ago are/have won there in the last few years. He was an abject failure in the NFL. How is he a “great” coach?

by astaylo1 on Oct 23, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ummm....

He DID win a more prestigious bowl game (Orange) than our previous coach ever won.
He also boasts an infinitely better record than our previous coach had when we hired him.

Failing in the NFL >>>> failing at boise

No one with any sense will deny that Petrino is a great offensive mind. Great head coach? Looks very promising, but its fair to say that’s yet to be seen. Nutt is a good coach, but he is not one of the elites. He will not reach that next plateau, which is exactly why we parted ways.

Going to bowls is fun, but we kind of want to win those, too.

by YellowTailSwine on Oct 23, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I never said..

He wasn’t “good” or even “promising”. I said he has done nothing to deserve being called “great”. As far as that Orange bowl goes, they had a good year. Just keep in mind that just the next year Ron Zook (a very good offensive mind and great recruiter) took a team to a BCS game. There is a long line of coaches who have gotten to one. Winning the Big East is not an accomplishment anymore. The three best teams all left before he won anything.

by astaylo1 on Oct 23, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Petrino wasn’t even in the big east when the “three best teams all left.” And Zook’s in the big ten, right? I know, same problem, but you’re really all over the place at this point.

Point is, Petrino has won a bcs game and our previous coach never made it to one. We moved on. Fine.

I really hate the guys guts for all of the embarrassment he caused (I wanted him out since ’03’s abortion of a season). Unlike some of your hogville specials, though. I’m glad he’s at Ole Miss. I’d much rather he sit over in Oxford giggling away taking snaps from kids in his office while we take a chance on a guy who at least claims to never be satisfied until he brings us a title.

He definitely shows a lot of tireless work ethic that, quite frankly, the previous staff did not show. It’s a different environment in Fayetteville. A lot less glad-handing and a lot more business-like. From the AD’s office down to the strength coordinator.

by YellowTailSwine on Oct 23, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Petrino wasnt there when they left….that is exactly my point. The Big East is a joke in football.

My point about Zook is that sometimes coaches can have good seasons. That hardly makes them a “great” coach.

I am not saying that he (BP) is a terrible/bad/average/good/great coach. I think that anyone who says any of the above is judging much to soon. That is all. Just pointing out that Gonzo is already slobbing all over BP and he has done nothing in his time coaching at a national level. In 5 years (1 year if a better job comes along) and he hasnt won the Nat. Title Gonzo (like most of you swine) will be putting in FOI’s and calling for his head.

by astaylo1 on Oct 23, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Gonzo is retarded, fuck him.

The FOI had far more to do with a coach basically investigating himself over an email.
The chancellor, AD, and head coach himself were basically all taken down over that fiasco.

That had every bit to do with taking down the good ol’ boy network as it did with ridding ourselves of Nutt. It wasn’t about uncovering an affair… which just presented itself in the info.

by YellowTailSwine on Oct 23, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you say "uncovering an affair"..

where is your evidence? I’ve never heard anyone give any solid evidence of said affair.

by Two Stick on Oct 24, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

If i'm retarded, Yellowtail, you've only sucseeded in proving your my equel..

You’ve never once written anything on this blog about Houston Nutt, the Hogs, Arkansas’s administration, etc… I didn’t already know for myself.
I’m completely astonished that you continually seem to put yourself high upon that self-deluted, emaginary mountain top of extreme intelligence.
Personally, I admit your knowledge of Arkansas football is 2nd to none, really. I just haven’t figured out why you love to wear that egotistical and irreversable looking asshat so fucking much.

Christopher Martin Gonzalez

by GonzoHog on Oct 24, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

did we really....

just spell “emaginary” with an E???? Wow….you must have had a very sad childhood….

by astaylo1 on Oct 24, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

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