Opinions, Please: Arkansas Hosed?
by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 20, 2009 12:19 PM EDT
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Bobby Petrino thinks this is bullshit.
You've all heard the moans and groans throughout the country on this, so I won't recount in detail what I hope to generate discussion on. If you need me to elaborate on the final few controversial minutes of the Arkansas/Florida game this past Saturday, then you're a bad SEC fan. If you'd like your memory refreshed, I'll direct you to some other folks who have covered the events pretty well on their own sites. I just wanted to get the discussion started over here being as how we do, you know, play Arkansas and all this Saturday.
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo PIG SOOIE! There, Hogs called. Please tell us what you saw and thought/think. There was the (totally bogus) call on Malcolm Sheppard for knocking a Gator o-lineman on his ass--Heaven forbid a defensive tackle ever do something as heinous as hit a guy who was clearly looking to hit him first--and then there were the pass interference calls and no-calls. The latter are a bit more iffy and difficult for me and my untrained eye to elaborate upon, so perhaps Juco or WW could chime in. Re-observe and consider them.
So, how much of an impact did the referees have on the final outcome of the game? Would Florida have won regardless (Sturgis still makes a field goal, albeit longer or Florida wins in OT) or did Arkansas get hosed out of a legitimate chance of pulling an Ole Miss of 2008 style upset?
The answer, as I see it, lies somewhere inbetween, but what say you?
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Yes, they got screwed.
However, it’s impossible to say that they would have won if those calls hadn’t been made. It certainly would have helped their chances, but playing the “what if” game ends up going in circles forever.
Pig Pen this here's Rubber Duck, and I'm about to put the hammer down.
^^^ This
Hog fan here. This comment sums it up nicely and I think most rational hog fans would say the same. Did the calls determine the outcome of the game by themselves? No. Did they influence the outcome? Yes. Seems to be a distinction in terms of proximate and but for causation – BOOM lawya! But the thing is, even if the refs didn’t fuck up, who knows what would have happened.
The real lesson of all this is to be very concerned if Marc Curles is the referee in any game you care about from here on out – because odds are that this fuck-stick makes a bad call that WILL definitely determine the outcome of a game. That is if he isn’t properly demoted to alternate back judge or the guy in charge of t.v. timeouts.
by trip andrews on Oct 20, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Marc Curles out to be fired.
I mean it. He is very, very bad at his job. In most professions, that’s solid enough ground for a pink slip.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 20, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The late hit call was bad
But cry me a river on the pass interference calls. I’ve decided the refs usually only get PI calls right about 60% of the time, anyway. And those are the obvious ones. The problem with PI, is it can often be called on either the offensive player or the defensive player, and if it goes against your team, you feel like you’ve just gotten screwed.
Arkansas fans, you should know this by now: When a team like Arkansas is playing a (#1) team like Florida, you’re not going to get the benefit of the doubt. Ever. God forbid the Alabama game had been close, they would’ve resorted to highway robbery (see: Ole Miss-Alabama 2007).
So stop being tittie-babies.
PI on the whole...
may be right 60% of the time, but OPI is called right MAYBE 10% of the time
thinks violent thoughts about idiot who blew the call against Calhoun in the Memphis State game
On the Personal Foul call:
From Doc Saturday:
But it was a routine ridiculous call; that is, it didn’t have any obvious, direct influence on the outcome. It was only second down, there were more than nine minutes to go in the game and Florida had already driven within field goal range. The flag didn’t alter the fact that Arkansas kicker Alex Tejada hooked the second of two crucial missed field goal attempts moments later, or that Florida drove into position for the winning kick with no flags or controversy whatsoever on its next possession. No one was hurt, and Sheppard wasn’t ejected. It was your garden variety bad call during the course of the game.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 20, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
Are you providing this as evidence that the call didn’t influence the outcome of the game, or just as an FYI? Considering the bad calls happened on Florida’s tie-ing drive, and not their winning drive, it hardly matters that they were “already within field goal range”. If the Gators kick a field goal on that drive, it’s now 20-16, not tied. In a game won by a field goal, that 4 point difference is huge.
Just as FYI.
Doc Saturday is well respected around here, as I would imagine he is on whatever blogs and message boards you peruse. His observations are usually pretty spot on so I thought I’d share.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 20, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I read it earlier in the day, on Yahoo Sports. He makes some good points, but I think he’s off on his assertion that the calls had no “obvious, direct influence on the game”. That’s tantamount to saying the Florida would have scored anyway, without the penalties, and that’s just as crazy as saying that Florida definitely would not have scored without the benefit of said penalties. Oh well.
The PF call on Shepperd was the worst and most obvious.
It also gave UF a 1st down at the Hog 10 yard line, in which they scored on a run to the outside on the very next play. Very deflating with a lot of help from the ref.
The pass interference on R. Broadway was obvious. He never touched the WR (Riley) downfield, turning to make a play on the ball. Riley came over his back to keep Broadway from making the INT.
Ryan Mallett was hit late in the back when he was on the ground after one play. No flag.
Dennis Johnson was hit at least 2 ft. out of bounds with no flag.
Most of the day, Gator O-linemen practically dragged down Hog D-linemen zeroing in on Tebow. No flags were thrown for holding.
I hate to blame a loss on refs more than anything, but the crew that not only called that game, also called the LSU/Georgia game and did a terrible job as well.
If the league officials really cared about it’s reputation being the best conference in the Country, it looks to me like they would have the very best officiating possible.
I doubt these clowns will even be reprimanded in any way, and the same crew will probably be calling SEC games this coming weekend.
Rebel91,
You should care. Your team may be next somewhere down the line.
Christopher Martin Gonzalez
And BTW...
…according to reports on Twitter (so they MUST be true) this crew will be officiating Alabama-Tennessee this weekend. Oh, THIS oughta be good.
by Queen Hoka-Hotty-Toddy on Oct 21, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If I didn't think Alabama was going to kick a mudhole in Tennessee's ass
then I’d agree. You’re right though, this has potential. Imagine the Orgeron and Nick Saban screaming at the same dude.
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by The Ghost of Jay Cutler on Oct 21, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I only don't care...
Because it didn’t happen to my team. It’s happened to us in the past, so I’m hoping the SEC officials are done screwing us over for the time being.
Yeah....
It’s working. That was in response to Gonzo.
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by Juco All-American on Oct 21, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
My main question would be is the officiating in other leagues in the NCAA as bad as the ones in the SEC, specifically the crew that has been doing its best to make sure that their names get said on Around the Horn and PTI every Monday?
by 7thYearJunior on Oct 21, 2009 3:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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